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Your figures are absolutely right...
Hi Velociphile,
sorry for checking in lately in this discussion.
I asked for the acceleration and he (the tester) said it's 5000g.
I couldn't believe that but after thinking a bit longer and asking again I thought it might be correct(as you know my french is very poor). Now, after your calculations I'm sure I got it right.
Indeed the bumper is made from teflon:
As the first shown test hits the case sideways between the lugs, the second one was even more impressive:
And here it goes.....
Unbelievable, but the crystal wasn't damaged, although the "tester" admitted that sometimes it simply breaks.
According JLC any watch (model) is tested the same way, even gold encased ones (interestingly the teflon bumper doesn't leave the gold case damaged as well, again according JLC).
Really impressive test and leaves some reported figures about incredibly shock resistent Tourbillons of other make seeming a bit in another category - these ones standed a "test" during a F1 accident with reported appr. 120g undamaged - not very impressive anymore compared to the 5000g
Best regards
Suitbert
PuristS trip to MJLC - part 1, my first Gyro experience at 12,000 ft.
By the time I arrived at Singapore Changi Airport for my flight on the twenty- fifth evening, I had gone over all the logistic work in my mind at least a million times. (Pre- flight snacks) (1) In choosing the most enthusiastic 16 out of 35 responses to e...
Now thats what I call.....
1st class service. Wonderful pictures of an amazing watch. I expect to see it this coming Friday. Best regards, Spiros.
Yes indeed...
I for one have seen the Gyro twice. The first was during Tempus in Singapore & the second was during MJLC's exhibition in KLCC, Malaysia. On both occassions, the Gyro left me just standing in front of it staring in amazement. It is indeed a mind-boggeling...
Harmony indeed...
A CNA television producer told me her video shot of Gyro mesmerised the CNA team (mind you, not watch nuts)...someone actually mentioned that this is sure to give the wearer the perfect Feng Shui.. Jaw
New Marketing Angle
Not that JLC needs any help in marketing the Gyro, but it would be something new to say that a watch brings the wearer perfect feng shui! The "Perfect Feng Shui Watch" would be a big seller in Asia! As for the Gyro, you already know my feelings about the ...
Forgot if it was meter or feet...
I did noticed the altitude indicated on the flight plan was as high as 12,000... Thanks!
Meter... But there?s a more surprising point...
It?s stunning to see you really do notice anything else when wearing a Gyrotourbillon! How could that happen? For a 747, typical cruise altitude is 35,000 feet (10 668 m); so 12.000m sounds reasonable (i think max. altitude for a fully loaded 747-400 is a...
Part 2 - Our first dinner at Valee de Joux, 26th October 2004
(From left, Tim Lake, Daniel Liu and Suitbert Walter, a pre dinner discussion) (Andy McEvan) Thankfully, all 13 arrived Valee de Joux by luxury coach safely and 3 brave ones drove their own cars to the hotel, braving the foggy mountain weather. (From left...
Thanks very much Jaw for the photos, now some questions for you...
On your way to le Sentier, did any non-WIS people notice your Gyro? If so, what kind of comment did they make and what kind of questions did they ask? Just curious.... If I have that piece on my wrist, I will keep looking at it the whole time. Did you get...
Part 3 - Welcome briefing on 27th Oct morning
(Simone Prevalet gave a brief welcome speech) The intensive programme kicked off on 08.30 hours, with a welcome speech by Simone Prevalet from Marketing & Communication, and a brief MJLC overview by Stephane Belmont. (Stephane Belmont gave a brief overvie...
Funny to see Jerome uses the same camera configuration as I do ...
Digicam for the web shots, and a Leica M6 for the really serious photography! Hope he got some fine shots! Regards, Marcus
Goodness.. my sincere apologies Andrew..
did not sleep for 33hrs.. jus got back from the JLC dinner w Janek when I posted that.... mus be the bubbles from the champagne.. crashed out after that.. its so embarassing... Pls accept my apologies!
No worry, seeing you last night at the Janek's dinner...
I understand completely. and I am certain Andrew won't mind. No more champagne from now on Jaw
Not as impressive as his trousers ;-)
Does anyone have a pic of Andrew in those floral numbers he wore? I think it was the second to last day... they were pretty funk-ayyyy, anyway
Will check through my photos, hope to find one colourful trousers...
Seriously, Andrew is just hip. Jaw
Very strange, I shot thousands of photos..
and yet I can't find one with the fancy trousers... The other 16??? Jaw
The thing about the trousers...
is that from distance, they look a dull red. Any Italian or Englishman would tell you that red trousers are an essential part of any gentlemen's wardrobe. However, at close range, you can see the detail of the pattern. The pattern is almost arabic/norther...
PS. Note the third to last photo in this posting:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=234648&messageid=1099479001 Not sure if photoshop can do anything with this. LOL Andrew H
Ouch, must be the poor camera resolution...
It looks nowhere as cool as the real thing Jaw
Thanks Jaw -
I think that not seeing the pattern on the trousers is part of their 'design'. It has nothing to do with your photographic skills which all of us here appreciate and enjoy. On that note, your pictures of your two daughters were endearing and brought a smi...
Part 4 - Computer design department for Constructeurs
(Benedicte Ferlet led our group on the 27th November) The 16 were split into 2 groups, me together with 7 of the PuristS and 9 with another group (Need members of another group to post their photos on this and subsequent activities). (visible from left, D...
Part 5 - Prototype testing
Next is the prototype testing department: (Benedicte Ferlet explained how Accelerated ageing testing is done in MJLC, shown is the result of Ceramic Ball wear and tear performance after a million turns) (Ideale is still being tested here) (Dino Pozzato, t...
Incredible shock testing figures!
I?ve done some calculations on JLC?s shock test and discovered that they were, if anything, understating what all their movements can withstand. It was described as "dropping your watch from table height?. In fact from what I?ve worked out it?s a lot toug...
Re: Incredible shock testing figures!
That's certainly an interesting way to look at those shock testing figures. I'd be more interested to learn the decceleration figures, or power dissipated by the test, too. For example, dropping the watch from 5 meters onto a nice soft cushion is quite di...
Shock as opposed to energy....
Absolutely agree..... I was trying to contextualise the energy involved. In order to calculate the acceleration of the watches under test it's a different issue. In the test, the shock is passed to the watch pretty directly via a hard polymer bumper. Unfo...
Acceleration calculations!
Ok, let?s go a bit deeper: Interestingly, we can estimate the exit speed of a 100 g watch from elastic collision calculations at about 7.5 m/s (about 27 kph or 17 mph). It carries away 2.8 Joules, more than half the energy of the striking mass. However, t...
Your figures are absolutely right...
Hi Velociphile, sorry for checking in lately in this discussion. I asked for the acceleration and he (the tester) said it's 5000g. I couldn't believe that but after thinking a bit longer and asking again I thought it might be correct(as you know my french...
Thanks for sharing guys..
..its really great to get to know in depth about this test sounds reliable although i am dead in physics. Thanks. Regards Jacky
Part 6 - Complication Department
(From left, Andrew Hindreth, Marie Beng, Daniel Liu, Dino Pozzato & Michael Haribowo) This is where all the complications are assembled, for maintaining the high standard of cleanliness. All of us stepped through sticky floor (to pick up dust from shoes) ...
What a trip!
Wow and more photos please.The Gyrotourbillon sure looks great on your wrist.Thanks Jaw.
Part 7 - The morning tour continues
(The Anglage Department) (This watchmaker demonstrated how a Master Ultra Thin Skeleton bridge is anglaged) (The Automatic Movement assembly, shown is the Calibre 918) (This is the machine which made the high quality case) (The Engraving Department, where...
Thanks Jaw for the report
I can understand why there's a smile on everyone's face. It's watch heaven! Definitely a great trip. yw wong
We were split up into two groups!..
Thomas is in the other group and thus Jaw did not manage to capture many pictures of Thomas!... I'll try to load one here.. of thomas w the lady bug bib...!! **Tried uploading.. cant work.. help..
TM does not allow his features to be posted >>
on the 'Hinternet', Marie. So maybe he inserts stealthy macros which automatically delete any attempt to do so Nice shots of the PuristS' trip to MJLC though...... Regards, MTF
Saw ur request for more pics n details on WFED forum
but hving read Mr J Kingston's report.. I think the intimidations factor has jus been multiplied!.. would luv to post something on WFED.. (i lurke pretty often. hee hee).. but I hv few pics.. perhaps u can guide me to the link which teaches how to upload....
LOL! Besides my extreme shyness...
I also need to maintain my ability to walk into a retail store unrecognized, as a "mystery shopper" so I can get a feel for REAL service levels, individual identity aside. That's the only way I can know the level of service any anonymous walk in gets, and...
and very impressed............
by their investment on high tech setup in testing and inspection of their watches. Now I know why my JLC is dead accurate
Great essay and images as usual...
And I must say IMHO the Gyrotourbillon has never looked more appropriate on anyone else's wrist. Cheers Wei
A Great Watchscapade!!!
Thanks Jaw for the drooling pictures.Wish i was there with you guys. What happen to the other group? joe
A curious question... Do all Le Sentier employees wear JLC?
At least the ones that you've come across... Quite shallow, I know but interesting nevertheless I hope you guys can humor me with an answer.
Part 8 - 27th Lunch hosted by CEO Jerome Lambert
(Looked like both groups finished their morning tour and were ready for lunch) Yup, all ready to board the luxury coach for lunch, from left, Marie Beng, Mitch Katz, Daniel Liu, Andrew Hindreth, Jerome Berder, Michael Haribowo, Tim Lake, Andy McEvan, Suit...
Wonderful report of a wonderful trip!
As usual, a splendid job by Jaw, Looks like you guys had a great time... Wish I could have have been there... hjuanie
MICHAEL HARIBOWO
is he an indonesian? coz, his name sounds like indonesian... i just wanna know how many indonesian member are here... heheh
yes, Indonesian
Yes Harry, I am the only lucky Indonesian joining the trip. Sorry for replying to your message only now. Straight from Geneve - Zurich - Singapore, I have to fly to Bali to meet someone there, back to Jakarta and could only access to real computer only th...
Thanks for the report Jaw! It is unfortunate that I could not make it
when I am living only an hour away from Geneva. Next time hopefully. BTW - Harry, we have another Indonesian here, I am from Jakarta. I know there are at least several other regular PuristS here. Regards, Aseanto Oudang.
Enjoyed
the chronicles of your trip. It looks like JLeC let it all hang out. I'm curious if they were asked hard penetrating questions.
Thanks Jaw, for this outstanding report
Hi Jaw, that was one wonderfull experience and a fantastic factory visit. Thank's a lot Jaw and of course Jerome Lambert and all others from MJLC! It's been an unforgettable time meeting so many fellow Purists in person. I'm afraid I'm unable to express m...
Excellent Report, Thanks Jaw
I am sure the flight seemed faster than it actually was with the Gyro on the wrist (better than any inflight movie It must have been a fantastic and really special experience for purists who participated. Regards Tim
Part 9 - The JLC Jewellery Studio led by Alain Kirchhof
(After the delicious Perch Fish lunch, we walked to the JLC Jewelry Studio) The Secured Jewellery Studio is just a minute walk away from the Restaurant, and ThePuristS were greeted by famous Jeweller Alain Kirchhof. (Alain Kirchhof briefed as Simone Preva...
Fantastic pics !!
Didn't you get to set your own pendant . Are all the buildings in the same area? How many are there? Marie's pendant looks so gorgous Cheers joe
All 17 of us set our own diamond pendant, and brought it home :-)
(And mine is now proudly worn by my youngest daughter)...
WOWWW!!!
I'm really lost for words Jaw....wish I was there with you guys...hope you can organise another trip cheers joe
Great souvenir...
Hi Jaw your daughter seems to like it alot She is very cute by the way. Thanks. Regards Jacky
gorgous......
tell you what, your daughter is more gorgous than the pendant....... cheers teckmeng
Aargh - I'm getting turned on by dianonds; >>
....... whats happening? I'm not a rapper or fashionista like Marie. Whats going on? ........my head is covered in bling... What if I don't recover? Ice Ice Baby.......... Regards, MTF
Impressive
because in one of my posts on the amrx challenge last Spring on the HWRT forum, I singled out JLeC's use of diamonds on ladies watches and hoped a man's design might be forthcoming
Jaw, thanks for sharing these fantastic photos and great report............
thank you and hats off to JLC for their effort in organising this trip. >>>>> Zach T
Part 10 - The Atmos Factory tour...
(F - The Atmos Building) (The beautiful Atmos Regulateur) (The principle of Atmos clock explained) The expansion and contraction of Gas chamber powers the Atmos clock (For this Atmos tour only, some of the photos marked "F" were shot from my previou0s MJL...
The testing cabinets
I got one photo: [Will add it here when I figure out how to do it! - where's that article explaining it again?] I was playing with my new video camera so didn't get many still shots. I'm hoping to buy a firewire cable tomorrow so will try to get something...
Part 11 - Nicola Baretzki hosted our dinner on the 27th October 2004!
The dinner venue is La Breguette, excellent Cheese Fondue and Port-de-feurs, in my opinion. (Damien Lim and JLC International Director Nicola Baretzki, Nicola is highly influential and is widely respected for his views in the Manufacture) (Dino Pozzato, T...
Yes... Stefanie is indeed quite a stuner!... Some of us can get a chance to meet her...>>
in Dec in Singapore when MJLC will hv this event call the MCTY Manufacture Comes To You.. sorta like wat they had in KL..
More Info...
Can you tell me more info about this event and how we can participant thkss joe
MCTY Manufacture Comes To You.. 8th -12th Dec Singapore
I'm not very certain about the details.. If I was not too dizzy from all that Veuve Clicquot champagne and martinis, or too awestricken by Michelle Reis' beauty at the Ideale's launch at The Fullerton Hotel, I think the dates should be correct as Sharon m...
Parg 12 - The Aesthetic Design Department on 28th. Oct morning
(Early 28th October morning briefing was done by Simone Prevalet, Stefanie Smithuis, Master Watchmaker Sylvain Golay, Joel Cordier and the lovely Linda Aidan - immediately after the briefing, we were again split into the same 2 groups) The Design deparmen...
The Ideale has a very vintage sorta like 20s feel to it..
I'll have to admit the Ideale looks a tad small against the current trend for larger size ladies watches. However the thickness of the watch gives it some 'weightage' and thus would look attractive on any ladies' wrist. It's been launched in some places a...
Always wonder is there.......
a co-relation between designers and beautiful ladies:-) >>>> Zach T
Part 15 - 28th October lunch hosted by Jean-Marc Keller & Alexis de Laporte
The venue was the Hotel de La Lande Private Dining Room and the food is excellent! I tasted 2 portions of what I think are the best Sorbet in the world - Remember, ask for the Orange, Lime and the Pear flavour! (Alexis de Laporte, MJLC Trade Marketing Man...
Please stop posting, Jaw!
I have been kicking myself so hard for missing such a trip since the FIRST set, part 15 is just not funny anymore Seriously, thank you very very much for the coverage. Now I can dream about visiting the manufacture properly with REAL images as a guide Thr...
Fabulous photo essay Jaw!
You have conveyed not just a sense of the elaborate program laid out by MJLC, but also part of the individual experience of each of the fortunate 17 PuristS. BTW, you're the hardest working "Watchman" I know!
Curtis Thomson with 'a friend' ?
That is me Though I am honoured to be counted as a friend of Curtis. It was great to so many PuristS enjoying themselves.
Part 16 - Hands-On Practical Watchmaking dis-assembly and assembly
(Each step is clearly explained and demonstrated by Joel, instructed by Sylvain and translated by Linda, so there should not be a mistake ) (Jerome Berder tried hard) (Andrew Hildreth) (After disassembly 2 steps, we went for a tea break, nice coffee, bott...
Part 17 - Miklos and his art of enamel
(Miklos explained the procedure of Enamelling a watch, Linda the watchmaker kindly volunteered to be his translator) (Note all the different coloured enamel powders on the shelves) (Michael explained that trial and error are needed for each design, this b...
WOW!!
I can't wait to see an Ideale in person. I can't wait to purchase an Atmos clock. I want my own diamond-set pendant. I am impressed with the detailed tour. MJLC really went out of the their way to welcome our purists. Thank you, Monsieur Lambert. What a f...
Part 19 - CEO Jerome Lambert hosted the 28th October dinner
(Our tables arrangement) The restaurant was the "Hotel-Restaurant du Marchairuz", situated at an altitude of 1449 - It could be the full moon - not only I believe it served the best hot plate beef steaks in the world, the group was particularly ecstatic o...
Thanks very much for your wonderful pics and text, Jaw!
Sitting here in the hotel room looking at your pictures and write up rather than cruising Ginza shops and Tokyo nightlife... See, I have my priorities straight! Thanks to MJLC, for your kind hospitality and generous openness. Thanks to ThePuristS' partici...
Thank you for your pics & comments....
I especially like the last few picutres where you stressed on the much anticipated AMVOX-1. Can't wait to actually purchase the AMVOX-1 on Ti. Thanks Jaw!
Part 20 - We perlaged our own base plate.
(This coach served us daily throughout our trip, including Geneva pickup and dismissal - Here we rode the bus to the Manufacture on the 29th. morning - sadly, our last day of the trip) (Stefanie Smithuis explained all the movement decorative work done in ...
And the "second group" pictures....
Hi all, the so called "second group" visited the several departements in different order - so, he times/dates of visit differed from the first group. On the way to the "decorative finish departement" we passed by some small openings in the wall: When buil...
Part 21 - Screwing the regulating screw into the Balance Wheel
(Our job is tougher than it looks, the screw is hardly visible, and our job was to pick up the screw, and screw at least one screw into any of the 4 threaded slots of the balance wheel) (Marie did it) (So did Michael, his surgeon training obviously helped...
"Second group" pics.....
Now these are the larger parts of the "little beasties" - the cal. 975 balance wheels with 4 timing screws - thread diameter is incredible 0.35 mm. The most helpfull lady showed us how easy it is to screw in these tiny little screws - she's doing 150 bala...
Part 22 - Inserting the jewels into the Pallet Fork
(Our next mission was to insert the nearly visible jewel into the almost invisible Pallet Fork ) (Stefanie Smithuis gave a brief overview of our mission) (Jerome Berder did it) (So did Daniel Liu and everyone else. (A curious toilet sign near the departme...
some very few "second group" pictures...
Hi all, here are some of pictures of the "second group". That really was a stunning experience. Unbelievably small rubies to be forced into a small gap of the pallet fork! Only holding them with the tweezers, not to speak about finding them under the micr...
My experience...
...was that the hardest part was actually getting these little piece of "ruby dust" into the right orientation before you put them in! If anyone has seen a picture of the pallet fork in the Swiss escapement you will know what I mean, but basically the rub...
SPEECHLESS!!!
Thks Jaw...really mind- blowing!. Did anyone get a shot of Jaw doing something . Looks like he is neglected
Part 24 - 1000 hours Control Test
It is no secret the Jaeger-LeCoultre 1000 hours control test is costly, not just the equipments and labour needed for the comprehensive test - but also the time needed, which slows down the delivery cycle. For our previous brief discussion, please refer t...
Part26 - 29th October Lunch hosted by Jean-Marc Keller
(CEO Jerome Lambert met his VIP guest over lunch at the restaurant, he didn't forget to greet us) Even though CEO Jerome Lambert had an important lunch meeting that day, he made the effort to greet us at the restaurant. This is another restaurant famous f...
A fantastic report Jaw.Thank you very much for all of the work
that must have gone into not only helping to organise the tour,but the reporting also.
A meticulous and excellent report!
Jaw, thanks a ton for the initiative and the invaluable report. This is one of the most comprehensive reports ever produced. I could imagine as I if I was there .... A job very well done! dmas
Part 27 - JLC distribution Policy and Gyrotourbillon appreciation
(Jeam-Marc Keller led the presentation and the discussion) Jaeger-LeCoultre's Jean-Marc Keller demonstrated JLC's transparency by presenting and discussing JLC's distribution policy, open to ThePuristS for the first time. (Back to school again , and this ...
Thank you Jaw for all your photos and reports that have brought the trip
alive again. Please pardon my silence on this forum. I arrived back to find a mess (polite way to put it) and am only now seeing daylight. I was really impressed by the tests on the Gyrotourbillon for the following reasons. Some of the test results you ph...
Part 28 and the Final Part - Cert presentation and Farewell Champagne...
It was an emotional moment as all of us reckoned that this was coming to an end. CEO Jerome Lambert, Nicola Baretzki, Jean-Marc Keller, Simone Prevalet, Sylvain Golay and Linda were all there to send us off. (Its time to pop the champagne) (Jaeger-LeCoult...
Out of this World !!!
Thks Jaw for the fantastic pictorial report. I notice that you've worked through the night to bring us these fabulous pictures that only one can dream about at the moment. I've seen too many oversea's trip reports and I must say that the passion and commi...
The photos and informative report...
allowed me more than simply a glimpse of what must have been a really wonderful trip. Thanks Jaw for the hard work in putting everything together.
amazingly indepth report!
thanks very much Jaw for the detailed report on your trip! must have been a great "in flight " movie watching the gyro!
In flight movie?, what inflight movie?
On a more serious note, although it is always exciting to have the Gyrotourbillon on your wrist, this is not the first time I put it on... I did sleep on the flight Jaw
What a great report!
Jaw, thank you very much for your great pics and text. Especially, I was so impressed with the report of 1000 hours test. These pics tell that JLC is one of the most honest and greatest watch manifacture of the world. Of course, I like the attitude to cre...
Its as if I am there myself ....
Jaw, thanks again for the pictorial essays. Although I did not go, I have the feeling that I was transported to MJLC while reading your reports.
Fantastic trip, perfect covering
Thank you so much Jaw for your covering of the trip. I reminds me so many great moments we had. This covering is just second to the involvement you have shown to allow us to share this. Once again thank you Jaw and Thomas, and you people at MJLC who all s...
Full of envies, wish i could have made it to the trip...
Wish i could have just drop down what ever was in my hands and went for the trip........ but then, i would not be able to buy any more watches when i am back as i will be fired by my boss Anyway, well done Jaw, for your reports and photos. All the best Ko...
"man at work"?.. or its just his passion.... (**note:duplicate)
**pls note this is a duplicate post from another message. its place here by request as part of the thread for the "PuristS trip to MJLC" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We are very fortunate...
Well done all, I never knew such work goes into making a watch....
Before this, I did not have the faintest idea of what goes on behind a watchmakers building, let alone behind the doors of MJLC. It has indeed been an eye opener for me eventhough I was not present at the outing. It also increases my sense of appreciation...
Wish I was there....
A well plan and excuted trip by Jaw as usual. Looks fun, unfortunatley due to work commitments unable to go for such a long trip...sigh.. Will the be a launch of the JLC Aston Martin watch in Spore by any chance??? Many Thanks.
Where do I begin?
Jaw, I have finally had the opportunity to take a look at your amazing report on the JLC trip. I know that it is hard to imagine, but I am left speechless. The report and photos give us a great glimpse of the trip, but also fill me with envy! Thank you ve...
