Well, actually, as a diving instrument, both Polaris and DSA are pretty much pointless...

Sep 11, 2009,10:43 AM
 

Kari,

Please let me react to your " I am considering the watch only as a diving tool from the perspective of a diving professional" 

To start with, I love (and own) both the Polaris and its predecessor the DSA, and I feel glad that you do the same with your re-editions of the Polaris..

But, to argue that these watches were a valid solution as a diving instrument back in time  (and specially compared to Rolexes and Blancpain of the time as you do, which really WERE diving instruments) is pointless.

There is no argument on deciding which of JLC or Vulcain came first as a diving alarm.
Vulcain came first, this is very documented, and it was the first watch to use the Supercompressor case with triple back and an alarm feature  (actually they were the inventor of the triple back with resonaotr which was later adapted to the Polaris).
The supercompressor case itself back then had been in use for several years in many non-alarm watches already before the Polaris was created.

And, IMHO, there is also no argument to pretend that the addition of an alarm feature, in the way it is designed in the memovox, was indeed a practical and useful feature in a diving watch.

When diving in deep waters, every minute counts with regards to decompression.

And, with a memovox, be it a 857 or a 859 (or any later memovox), there is no way you can set-up a decent alarm time withing say a 10 minute range accurately, which is definitively a pre-requisite when considering serious diving.

Therefore, I consider both the 857 and 859 to be interesting watches in history, for that they have tried to bring a new complication underwater. But retrospectively, they were mostly novelties with a marketing purpose, not proper 'tools'  (and I don't think that any diver will disagree on that point).

That can not be said on the Blancpain and Submariners of the time that you refer to, which were proper diving tools designed by divers for divers.

That being said, the Polaris is a fine looking watch. But we should take it only as this. A fine looking watch.... 
No technical justification is needed IMHO.

An alarm could be indeed a very relevant feature underwater, but for that you would need to be able to set it underwater, and to set it really accurately.
Both feature that neither the vintage, nor the modern memovoxes can achieve.

In these conditions, if one is still insisting on diving with a mechanical watch, there is nothing that can beat a rotating bezel with accurate indexes (which the NSA fortunately has). 

Now, all 'legend' watches don't need to be exactly functional for us to love them I reckon, so please do enjoy your three nice Polarises as they deserve... They are just beautiful as they are without requiring any technical justification !


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Mini Roll call Recall - Tribute

 
 By: Bill : September 10th, 2009-17:21
I know I missed the last one so I thought the 09/09/09 business was a good excuse. I am pretty sure we can hit at least 15. If you don't have a picture handy check in anyway. Bill...  

Aaaah, Finaly, Bill!

 
 By: amanico : September 10th, 2009-23:04
Finaly, we see it on your wrist! You're right, I made a quick count and we're 15, and today we'll be 16. With Mostel, maybe we'll be 17! If we add those who own the Tribute To Polaris in platinum, we are over 20. Here's my contribution, on a Leather Nato:...  

Unable to take part, but...

 
 By: david.graham : September 11th, 2009-00:19
I have to say I am in love with the '65 Polaris re-issue, undoubtably one of my favourite watches. Congratulations gents and thanks for the pictures. David

congrats bill !

 
 By: OlivierT : September 11th, 2009-02:42
ah, that's a great news, welcome and congratulations about your choice, '65 version is realy smart. try to send you more and new pixs from the lake of annecy on sunday evening. best. olivier

One more

 
 By: Dje : September 11th, 2009-03:03
Hi, Here's my baby! Cheers Dje...  

Polaris...

 
 By: dr.kol : September 11th, 2009-03:44
Hi Fellows, I am happy to report that my Pt 1965 Polaris waits me at home while I am diving in the Far East. I have also secured the Paris Boutique Edition as well as the 1968 Edition. Those I will pick up immy when I'll get the time. So sometimes in the ... 

Wow, Dr Kol,

 
 By: amanico : September 11th, 2009-03:46
You're the only one I know to own the 3 versions of the Tribute To Polaris... If this is not LOVE, I don't know what is Love!!! Congrats, and please, YES, do share with us this fabulous trio! Best, Nicolas

Love?

 
 By: dr.kol : September 11th, 2009-04:30
You are the first one saying it's "Love". Most of my friends have just recommended a long meeting with a Schrink! Sure, I will send pictures in due time. Regards,

only have a Pt1965 version

 
 By: OlivierT : September 11th, 2009-05:37
in our Polaris world, there's no border between edition, or metal. so, DrKol, same as you, there's something special with the contact with the platinum. it's not only the weight, or special reflects on the precious metal. no. just a sensation of the densi... 

Not only love...

 
 By: dr.kol : September 11th, 2009-07:32
Dear Nicolas and everybody, A lot has been discussed about the charm and originality of Polaris. But in case I am considering the watch only as a diving tool from the perspective of a diving professional, there is no doubt that the alarm is the single mos... 

Nothing to add, Kari, except that

 
 By: amanico : September 11th, 2009-10:36
Coming from a Master Diver ( bif I'm not wrong, you are, aren't you? ), these words sound like the best compliment ever made on this watch. And something I totally share with you. To be clear, I don't dive, except in my bathroom, BUT I do live with my wat... 

Well, actually, as a diving instrument, both Polaris and DSA are pretty much pointless...

 
 By: Clavi : September 11th, 2009-10:43
Kari, Please let me react to your " I am considering the watch only as a diving tool from the perspective of a diving professional" To start with, I love (and own) both the Polaris and its predecessor the DSA, and I feel glad that you do the same with you... 

Correct me if I'm wrong, Clavi

 
 By: amanico : September 11th, 2009-10:51
I agree when you say that the Vulcain is the first Super Compressor housing an alarm, but this is not the first alarm diving watch, I think. The Deep Sea Alarm, released in 1959 seems to be the first, while the Vulcain made in 1961 ( once again, if I'm no... 

I think you are right

 
 By: Clavi : September 11th, 2009-11:45
Indeed, the 857 probably predates the Vulcain, and is likely the first waterproof alarm. However, I think you will reckon that, even more so than the 859, the 857 is pretty pointless for serious diving (I think it was even called 'skin diver' at that time... 

Diving instruments

 
 By: dr.kol : September 11th, 2009-17:42
The modern dive computers are so reliable and so sophisticated that those can not be replaced by ANY kind of mechanical watch. Period. A technical diver who is not using the most sophisticated modern systems for his diving is soon a dead diver. Nicholas s... 

i see in a photo u have your polaris 65

 
 By: zhsanders : April 26th, 2010-08:49
on a brown leather band. do u have any more picts of it? thinking of going same route. are u also using a deployant? thanks

One more Paris Boutique

 
 By: respo : September 11th, 2009-06:01
Congrats, Bill. I really do wonder how many of the 65 Boutiques we have represented on this Forum. Well, any excuse to speak of and photograph this beauty. respo...  

Checking in

 
 By: Asimut : September 11th, 2009-07:16
g Cheers and HAGWE Asi This message has been edited by Asimut on 2009-09-11 07:16:41...  

I'll play...

 
 By: India Whiskey Charlie : September 11th, 2009-09:21
...  

...and one more Boutique edition

 
 By: tripon : September 11th, 2009-16:43
...  

Welcome to the Polaristi Family, Bouloi

 
 By: amanico : September 11th, 2009-22:02
And huge congrats on this Beauty. Don't forget to also post pics of your watch on our Polaris Roll Call, here: jlc.watchprosite.com ENJOY! Best, Nicolas

many thanks !!!

 
 By: tripon : September 12th, 2009-02:23
Specials thanks to you Nicolas

.........

 
 By: VMM : April 25th, 2010-13:03
I love the 2nd picture. Thanks.

thanks...

 
 By: tripon : April 27th, 2010-14:34
I thought it should be its right place to be...scuba diving Best, Pascal

For the scuba diver with style - naturally

 
 By: Bill : April 28th, 2010-08:54
Any more action shots of the Polaris - wet Bill

From France ...

 
 By: p@trice : September 12th, 2009-00:31
. . HAGWE...  

Good for you Bill!...

 
 By: pplater : September 12th, 2009-00:34
...it's an 'alarming' hobby, isn't it? Cheers, pplater....  

So we had 4 watches in common?

 
 By: Dje : September 14th, 2009-09:26
Hi Kevin, So we had 4 watches in common.... ......and still 3! Cheers Dje

At least four, Dje...

 
 By: pplater : September 14th, 2009-15:59
....because you have excellent taste, and imitation is the most sincere form of flattery!!! ;-) All the best to you. Cheers, pplater.

Here is my '68 with Donzi22's

 
 By: rovermark : September 12th, 2009-02:33
Taken on the day when his finally arrived at the Beverly Hills boutique....  

sweet polaris

 
 By: moonway : September 12th, 2009-21:54
...  

news from the lake; '65 version Pt950 Nr041

 
 By: OlivierT : September 13th, 2009-11:17
hi bill, not last pix, because of the weather this sunday! (not a day with a sun), and a running race at 09AM. so, olf pix but nice, arent they? best. olivier...  

Is that a TVR dash board?

 
 By: Dje : September 14th, 2009-09:24
Hi, Is that a TVR dash board? Nice apparently. Thanks for sharing. Cheers Dje

oh no, just a Correct Craft 196'

 
 By: OlivierT : September 14th, 2009-09:49
hi Dje, no it's the dashboard of our waterski boat, a 196' dedicated to waterskiing exclusively. best. O

Another duo from France

 
 By: titof70 : September 13th, 2009-14:58
Thom....  

Great to see your Duo Here, Thom!

 
 By: amanico : September 14th, 2009-11:07
You're here at home, my friend. Best, Nicolas

Here is my contribution...

 
 By: mamac : September 16th, 2009-12:22
A wonderfull taste of a wonderfull watch from a wonderfull brand...

Does that make you a 65 or 68 :) [nt]

 
 By: Bill : September 16th, 2009-12:28
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Pictures ...

 
 By: mamac : September 16th, 2009-12:40

Picture finaly?

 
 By: mamac : September 16th, 2009-13:25
...  

Yep, Mamac!

 
 By: amanico : September 16th, 2009-13:45
Finally! Nice cufflinks, by the way! Best, Nicolas

Thanks Nicolas

 
 By: mamac : September 16th, 2009-23:38
Thanks Nicolas. It's a gift from JLC... ;-) Best regards

Wow, I'm jealous, now! :)

 
 By: amanico : September 17th, 2009-02:45
This message has been edited by amanico on 2009-09-17 02:45:56

Better late than never

 
 By: Democritus : January 13th, 2010-17:15
It would take a lot to pull me from one JLC (pseudo) to another JLC (classic). I made a decision that some may not agree, giving up my pam 190 (pseudo JLC) for a real limited JLC (Polaris tribute 68). Like my 190, it still gives me a big grin everytime I ...  

Never too late to join in

 
 By: Bill : January 13th, 2010-17:40
That must have been pretty tough making the change and letting the 190 go. But look like you found love once again. Sweet Bill

Thanks Bill and Nic

 
 By: Democritus : January 14th, 2010-04:47
Thanks Nic. I have asked my AD to alert me on a Polaris for months to no avail. But, I could not get my mind off the polaris (esp the 68) since I saw your review and pics. So, fast forward to 2 days ago when I spotted a nice used piece while visiting a de... 

I'm certain you will have a lot of pleasure with this watch

 
 By: amanico : January 14th, 2010-05:16
And I'm very happy to see you enter this Club, too. Mr Lambert is a man who has a word, and he said it several times, the Polaris is indeed a " one shot " re edition. So, you own a piece which has an History, and a nice Story. Wear it with Pride! Best, Ni... 

Thanks for the welcome

 
 By: Democritus : January 14th, 2010-14:00
I have been hearing about the polaris story. Let me search around to know more about the story. It will definitely take up quite a lot of wrist time.