Jaw
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The origin of a movement...
Nov 21, 2005,04:16 AM
is a mine field, stories often conflicts with each other depending on sources. Even watch historian being employed by brands sometimes found different versions of movement origins confusing.
Group histories was muddled and likelo to continue even in the future (Even today, I have heard arguable jokes like Cartier feeds the other richemont brands or similarly Swatch watches do the same for Blancpain etc) all of which made interesting anecdotes.
The truth is, all established brands and group had their roller coaster financial rides. As a movement supplier since the 19th centuries, MJLC must have supplied movements for many for vastly different reasons during different period of times to various brands. And all reasons are probably valid and true at one time or another.
Distracting myself from the topic a little, famous watch brands have depended on movement suppliers as far as watch history can remembers. Many Geneva brands for example paid little respect to the dilligent watchmakers who supplied them the movements. Brands ordered movements of their choice from the much despised "farmer class" watchmakers on the pretext that they are the one providing for the farmers' livelihood.
If anything has changed. more and more brands are using inhouse design and manufactured movement today, more and more movement suppliers are being acknowledged and there is more truth in advertising today than anytime in the past. A situation where significant credits must be given to The Swatch Group and perhaps growing culture of watch appreciation.
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What different companies does MJLC manufacturer base movements for ?
By: Dhiraj Doshi : November 15th, 2005-11:11
Dear All, I am a complete Jaeger-LeCoultre fan .I just bought myself a Master Compressor Dulamatic and put a dark brown horn back strap on it .I think it is the most beautiful watch i have ever owned . While i made my purchase i was told that JLC manufact...
JLC movements
By: Aalok : November 15th, 2005-12:24
Congratulations on the new Master Compressor Dualmatic. That is one of my favorite watches & contains a brand new movement design from JLC. You can be confident that JLC produces extremely high quality movements. There is a long history within the Swiss w...
Very considered answer thanks!
By: Jaw : November 15th, 2005-08:20
I have done some compilation of movements supply to th industiw my own for some years. In the history of jlc, it was more than ebauch supplies. Many famous pieces were in fact made for other famous brands. Will post when i am home. Jaw posted via nokia n7...
I'm particularly thinking of AP and VC
By: Gary : November 15th, 2005-09:21
Seems that many VCs I look at have characteristic signs of JLC movements! For example, isn't the Toledo based on the same movement as the JLC MM? Then there's the AP Millenary Maserati two time-zone watch whose sub-dial placement is suspiciously like that...
Are you sure of everything...
By: Dje : November 16th, 2005-02:02
for what I have seen MJLC delivers also (mainly?) finished and assembled movements for their main customers. They also deliver to Van Cleef et Arpels, and it seems that they deliver Piaget too (just for one watch). I know that Lemania delivers also some a...
Not sure of ebauches delivery vs. completed movements.
By: Aalok : November 16th, 2005-04:04
I don't know the details of companies which used complete movements vs. those which used ebauches for their watches. I'd like to learn more about JLC's role as a movement supplier, so I would welcome any information on this topic. Here is a very brief lis...
Yes...
By: Dje : November 16th, 2005-06:06
Thanks alok
By: Dhiraj Doshi : November 16th, 2005-07:07
JLC - AP
By: Felix : November 16th, 2005-07:07
Probably worth noting AP had an equity stake in JLC, A stake they sold to Richemont and partly used to finance the America's cup initiative. Regards
And part of the deal was also...
By: Dje : November 17th, 2005-12:12
the rights and tools of caliber 2120, if I understood well (please Thomas correct if I'm wrong)! If so 2120 would be a real 100% manufacture caliber for AP now.
Thanks for clarifying things.
By: Aalok : November 16th, 2005-05:17
I enjoy looking into the historical connections in the Swiss watch industry, especially regarding JLC & F. Piguet. These topics can often be misinterpreted and serve as the foundation for making value judgements on the various companies involved. This is ...
and Breguet
By: ei8htohms : November 16th, 2005-04:16
Hi Guys, In addition to the JLC based Breguet calibers already listed in this thread (Cal. 549 and 530), Breguet also used the JLC Cal. 839 ultrathin, calling it Breguet Cal. 509 (or possibly 503, I can't remember which, the other one is the Breguet versi...