An In Depth Review of The Mark 7 A

Nov 15, 2011,03:12 AM
 



This is my latest addition ( and probably my last ) in my short Vintage Military JLC watches collection.

From Left to Right: Mark 7 A ( 1942 ), Mark 7 A Weems ( late 1942 ), WWW ( 1944 ) and Mark 11 ( 1953 ) :



I already made a post about these Mark V 7 A Weems, WWW and Mark 11, so I will only focus here on the simple Mark 7 A, or should I better use the plural as there were 2 " simple " Mark 7 A.

The more current, and better known Mark 7 A with the thin case and lugs: ( Picture by courtesy of JLC Heritage Gallery )



The much rarer Mark 7 A with the bigger case and and fatter lugs: ( Credit pic: Zaf Basha )



In fact, it seems that the bigger case with fatter lugs is a kind of transitional Mark 7 A.

I mean that the first Mark 7 A seemed to be the Weems, since 1940, and that then came the big case, in 1942, just before the release of the current Mark 7, with the thin case, in 1943

Aproximatively 1000 Weems were made, and 4 000 " simple " Mark 7 A.

From these 4 000, less than 1000, according to Zaf, came with the bigger case, to give you an idea.

These numbers are to be compared with the 2950 Mark XI, and the much more common WWW ( less than 10 000 ).

Let's go back to the Mark 7 A.

I/ The dial:

The first thing which " jumps " to the eyes is that the dial is signed Lecoultre although the watch is delivered to the British Army, and looks very close to the Mark 7 A Weems dial.



This is an unusual mismatch, as the movement is signed Jaeger Lecoultre...

Why?

There is no official explanation, here.

The most probable explanation is that these watches were delivered in hurry, and that there was no other choice than using the available dials in stock...

There are a few exceptions, tough, as some dials came with the Jaeger-Lecoultre Signature, refinished by the Ministry Of Defense ( MOD ), but here again, we can also find the Lecoultre Signature, as shown below ( Don't know who to credit for this picture ).



The hands are the same than on the Weems, and curiously shaped on mine, although some other 6 B had the same, like the Omega, for example, so, to me, on mine, these spade hands have probably been replaced.

Here a picture with the correct hands on another Mark 7 A " Big Case " ( to be credited to Zaf, once again ) :



II/ The case:

Here, the early Mark 7 A , and the " normal " 7 A share the same case, in shape and dimensions ( 32 mm / 33 mm for the Mk 7 A Weems ).

Still, there are some significant differences.

- The most visible of them is the thicker case and lugs of the early model.





To be compared with the " normal Mark 7 A:



It depends on everyone's taste, but to me, the Big case gains in strength what it looses in Elegance, but is Elegance the first purpose of a Military Watch?

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- The 7 A no Weems have a chromium plated case ( except the case back, which is stainless steel ), while the 1942 version is all stainless steel.

The 1943 Mark 7 A ( pic to be credited to Zaf ) :



The 1942 Mark 7 A:



You will also observe that on the 42, the crown is much thinner.

- The lugs are fixed on the 43, while spring bars are mounted on the 42.

1943 ( Credit pic to ...Zaf, again ) :



- The case back received 2 different kind of writings on the 43:

" AM ", like on the 42, indicating the issue year, or the typical British Arrow, with no issue year. while the 42 has only the AM engravings, with the year of release.

Here, the Mark 7 A 1942:



Both 42 and 43 have a snap back case, with a different engraving, inside:



While on the 43, it is written " Acier inoxydable fab suisse ".

III/ The movements:

Let's make it simple:

2 movements are mainly used on the Mark 7 A: The Cal 450, and the Cal 470.

Both share the same dimensions ( 28, 25 mm big, 4, 55 high ), display a Central Second, beat at 18 000 alternances per hour, and 15 jewels ( sometimes 17 ) .

The main difference is that the 470 has a gilt finish.

Chronologically, things are simple, as the Cal 450 was used on the Mark 7 A Weems and non Weems till 1942, and was changed for the Cal 470 since 1943.

Here a Lecoultre Cal 450, housed in an US Weems ( note the VXN engraving )



And there, the Cal 450 in the 1942 Mark 7 A:



So, the Mark 7 A big case necessarily uses the Cal 450 of the Weems.

IV/ General thoughts and Conclusion on the Mark 7 A 1942:

The 1942 model is certainly the less known Mark 7 A, and the less known Vintage JLC Military watch, compared to the WWW, The Weems, and the Mark 11.

Still, it is not the less interesting watch.

Its transitional and short life makes it rare, and especially, elegant.





When you first see it, you are far away from thinking that you're in presence of a Military watch: No traditional black dial, a very modest size, you really have to turn the watch to begin to understand that it conveys a Military past, a Story.

Actually, it has all the virtues to be a Military watch: The accuracy ,and reliability, the legibility, the simplicity, and, with the 1942 Mark 7 A, a very attractive " Bad Boy " look, due ot its thicker, yet elegant case.

As always, be very careful with Numbers:

When you read that the case is 32 mm " big ", you're instinctively thinking " Not for me...Way too small..No way. "

I'm not trying to convince you that you're in presence of a big watch.

It is indeed a small one, but ...Too small?

Let's see it on my 17 cm Wrist, which is an average ( human ) wrist size:



I' ll let everyone making his own opinion, but mine is made, and I truely love wearing it!

Undisputably, another piece of History from JLC.

Do you hear the Spitfire roooaaaaaring?



Best,

Nicolas
This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-11-15 14:03:26 This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-11-18 03:42:30


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A smart human wrist size of 17 cm?

 
 By: dr.kol : November 15th, 2011-03:34
Not chicken wrist??? Best, Kari

as always

 
 By: playtime : November 15th, 2011-05:14
an enjoyable review and read! Like you, I prefer the thicker lugs--yet despite it appearance, still seems a well-proportioned and balanced watch Jason

Thanks for viewing, Jason.

 
 By: amanico : November 15th, 2011-13:46

Nice!

 
 By: =RWK= : November 15th, 2011-06:20
Now all you have to do is remanufacturer at Ø 42 mm and send it to me...Remember, you forgot my Christmas gift last year! Best, -- Richard.

Now, that is an idea.

 
 By: amanico : November 15th, 2011-13:48
A re edition, or better,n an hommage of these pliot watches would be an excellent thing and fill a gap... Since how many time didn't we see a Pilot watch from the Grande Maison??? Best, Richard. Nicolas.

Now that is in depth! 2 more examples of the MkVII A with one even more 'transitional'

 
 By: Clavi : November 15th, 2011-07:01
Great review. I have 2 of these Mark 7 A, both with the 'big case', solid stainless steel / fat lugs style, and therefore likely part of the batch of these less than 1000 'transitional' watches between the weems and the smaller / plated version The first ...  

congratulations Nicolas

 
 By: ChristianDK : November 15th, 2011-09:56
and thank you for a greast review. I like the "fat" case/lugs. It si perhaps not elegant as you say, but it has a really tool watch precence to it. Lovely. And no 32732 mm is NOT to small - its all about the watch. But you know how you convinced me of tha... 

It is all about the watch, indeed, Christian.

 
 By: amanico : November 15th, 2011-14:05
These military timepieces give a lot of pleasure, when you wear them. Elegance is an attitude, and size has nothing to see, here. Best, my friend. Nicolas.

These are great pieces of History and also mystery.

 
 By: amanico : November 15th, 2011-14:02
Your MK VII with the Red 12 is really nice, Clavi. And the good idea you had is to show two wrist shots, as they demonstrate that those watches are small, but absolutely wearable. Another part of the mystery is that on my Weems, the case back is not engra... 

Thanks for a great review, as always...

 
 By: EdwardL : November 15th, 2011-18:47
Yes we can hear the roar of the spitfire. Ed

Thanks a lot, Edward.

 
 By: amanico : November 15th, 2011-23:46

very interesting read...

 
 By: DRMW : November 16th, 2011-00:12
and congrats on your latest acquisition! -MW

Thank you for the review

 
 By: nilomis : November 16th, 2011-04:08
Nicolas, I never had on my hands any of those but, by your great review, the Mark 7A "fat" is a true beauty. Love the clean dial and hands. Cheers and thank you again, Nilo

A watch to hunt, my friend, and you know the good news?

 
 By: amanico : November 16th, 2011-13:41
It is very affordable, even if not that easy to find. Best, Nilo. Nicolas.

Nicolas, please let me add…

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : November 16th, 2011-12:34
My friend, Your outstanding post light up my dark November evening! Another master post on a very nice piece of the rich JLC history! Thank you! Please let me add a document from the Naval Service Royal Air Force/Ministry of Aviation: The description of t...  

I know this document!

 
 By: amanico : November 16th, 2011-14:11
I already saw it, but can't remember well. Never pais attention to the date, though. '66... Strange. AFAIK, there were no Mark VII from the Grande Maison after '43. Thanks for your kind comments, my friend. More to come later. Best, Nicolas.

You have more?! :)

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : November 16th, 2011-14:14
That is good news – we have a long dark winter ahead of us! Best, my friend Blomman

Please – put another in! ;) [nt]

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : November 16th, 2011-14:40
No message body

From memory the document

 
 By: Ubik : November 19th, 2011-07:15
is correct. I should have a copy somewhere and will see if I can dig it out for you later next week.

I do think so. But does that mean the the Omega Mark VII was later produced?

 
 By: amanico : November 19th, 2011-07:26
I mean, compared to the JLC sister... Best, Nicolas. This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-11-19 07:26:34

I'll have a look at the documents next week

 
 By: Ubik : November 19th, 2011-07:38
but not necessarily. The document shown is an extract from the military standards document. It shows the Omega only as a reference for the type of watch that is being described. The same would have been true for the WWW series of watches for example. A se... 

There is a great deal of...

 
 By: nwp627 : November 16th, 2011-18:48
...history at La Grande Maison...that needs to be repeated, perhaps next year? Perhaps with your help Nicolas? A word or two in the proper ear or ears! Thank you for another great report. N

This would be something great.

 
 By: amanico : November 16th, 2011-23:01
But let's try to focus on the Geophysic first! Thanks for your kind words, Neil. Best, Nicolas.

hehe...feeling happy to see this post, Nico...

 
 By: FanFrancisco : November 18th, 2011-08:42
.... simply because one of the watches showing in your post is now on my wrist )) stefan...  

Difficult to say...

 
 By: amanico : November 18th, 2011-22:51
The VII and the XI are so different that it is difficult to not love both of them... Hence the reason to get these 4! Best, Nicolas.

Wonderful post Nico

 
 By: Ubik : November 19th, 2011-07:14
The British military did like their watches, but they were thrifty as well. Often recasing them later on. I love the quartet picture, it's a great thema and nice to have the lineage of all four watches in your museum.

Yes, Eitan. This was a great time.

 
 By: amanico : November 19th, 2011-07:23
Imagine such a watch on the current standards, but with the same spirit: Manual movement, a bigger case, not too bign though, clean and simple dial, robust case... Hmmm? Best, Nicolas.

Tempting me to get into the vintage game.

 
 By: Ed. W : November 19th, 2011-22:08
Although I still have trouble overcoming the "it may not be accurate to +/- 3.4. or 5 seconds a day" issue... I really should.

Try, You will see. ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : November 19th, 2011-22:11
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Wearing this one today

 
 By: Clavi : November 21st, 2011-04:36
Your post has inspired me to give this one a little bit of wrist time...  

What can I say? Bravo, Clavi!

 
 By: amanico : November 21st, 2011-04:41

One more time.. :))

 
 By: hs111 : November 21st, 2011-07:24
.. Yes, one more time, (a bit late, but hopefully not too late) to say, how much I enjoyed this post, pics and review: - That is a , how did you say - ".. small, but strong", and very nice piece, a true character for me, ( must fit you well, I see !!). Ye... 

Aaah, hs, where were you hiding?

 
 By: amanico : November 21st, 2011-07:47
It is always a pleasure to read you, my friend. One of these small but adorable "brutes " should fit very well in your already superb collection, for sure. History, character, and elegance. Small? Come on, it is perfectly sized for your " Service Secret N... 

those are some very fine watches you have there amanico

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : November 27th, 2011-12:29
The mark VII a is clearly an understated and elegant high quality watch. thanks for sharing best regards georges

Well, I try to do my best. ;)

 
 By: amanico : November 27th, 2011-12:38