Some thoughts and pictures on the 2 Black Duometres a Chronographe and à Q.L.

Oct 01, 2014,10:49 AM
 



 
 
Being able to take some side by side pictures of two rare birds, the Black Duometres à Quantieme Lunaire and à Chronographe, was something I wanted to live since I saw the Q.L in Geneva, at the SIHH, this year.
 
The black dialed Duometre à Chronographe let me a strong souvenir, and when I discovered the colored gold versions of the Q.L, I was hoping that the following year, we'd have such a combination on this 2010 novelty.
 
At first sight,  some may think that the black dialed Q.L is aestethically too close to the Chronographe... At first sight, only.
 
This is the purpose of this post: To show you that, even if they may appear very close, the two black brothers are really different.
 
The Quantième Lunaire:
 
 
 
 
The Chronographe:
 
 
 
 
This is not only a  question of complications, this is more, in my opinion, a matter of personality, which is revealed by some subtilities...
 
Let's see that in the details.
 
1/ The clear separation of the time and the complication.
 
On the Duometre à Chronographe, there is indeed a clear separation between the Chronograph and the Time, highlighted by the use / choice / option of 2 different colored hands ( white for the time, rose gold for the chronograph indications ).
 
This is less true on the Quantieme Lunaire:
 
While the Time is indicated by white gold hands, and the Date by a rose gold hand, we should have expected that the age of the moon and is phase are ALSO using  colored gold hands.
 
This is not the case...
 
As well as the power reserve hand of the balance wheel, which is in white gold,  like the hand of the date / quantieme lunaire power reserve.
 
The difference can be partially explained: If you choose hands  from the same color of gold for the moonphase, the age of the moon and the date, you may create some confusion between all these informations, and the outcome may not be very legible.
 
So, pragmatism, in this case, is more important than a perfect  or absolute " chromatic balance ".
 
Partially, as, in my opinion, there is no explanation on why JLC opted for the same  white gold hands for the power reserve of the balance wheel and of the quantieme lunaire. This is not a matter of legibility, here, the two indicators being clearly separated.
 
 
 
 
Is this because the first purpose on  the Quantieme Lunaire  is accuracy, while on the Chronographe, both the time and the chronograph are equally important?
 
That is a bit how I see the things, personally, but it is just my take, here.
 
 
2/ Coldness and warmth...A matter of personality.
 
The black dial gives a lot of strenght, presence, contrast and adds a bit of warmth to the Duometre à Chronographe.
 
By the way, I will dedicate a whole post on the Duometre à Chronographe in platinum, compared to its black dialed brother, with some detailled pictures...
 
But, when you compare it to the Quantième Lunaire, the Chronographe is still a bit cold.
 
What makes a huge difference here is the presence of the Moonphase.
 
The Chronographe, on the left, and the Q.L, on the right:
 
 
 
 
Warmth, Poetry, those are the two words which immediately come to my mind.
 
As  previously said in another post, I was afraid, when seeing the moonphase disc, that this noe would not be improved, as I was not impressed at all by its quality.
 
My fear has disappeared, on the definitive watch.
 
The combination of the blue moonphase disc and the black dial is not only beautiful, it is also romantic.
 
I always pest against the dark blue Anti Reflect  Coating, but here, due to the presence of the blue moonphase, it is a bit like if you were in presence of a dark and pure summer night, on the black dial. Magnificent.
 
 
 
 
Precision and Poetry, these are the main goals, and the character of the Duometre à Quantième Lunaire, without doubt.
 
3/ Similar, but different.
 
Of course, there are some common parts between these 2 Duometres: The color of the dial, the white outer ring, the choice of the color for the hands, the organisation of the dial, its layout, and the " foudroyante " small second.
 
But, even when similar, they are different.
 
Have a look at this picture:
 
 
 
 
You will tell me that you don't see any difference... Have a better look, and you will have a clue.
 
It is impossible to have a side by side picture of two same Duometres ( to be clear, two Chronographes, or two Quantiemes Lunaires ) with this outcome, with the two dials dedicated to Time, side by side.
 
The answer is that, on the Quantième Lunaire, JLC  located the Time subdial  on the right part of the watch, and not on the left, which is the case on the Chronographe.
 
Why?
 
My guess is that, like I said before, the main purpose of the Quantième Lunaire is to display an accurate time, and if you can read it in an asier way ( when you have it on your wrist, the information you'll be able to read first is the Time, at the contrary of the Chronographe, on which this is the Chronograph you first see, because the two functions are equally important wink.
 
Logical, and pragmatic, once again.
 
The two Beauties together:
 
 
 
 
You will also notice that  on both of them, you have a pusher, which is not located at the same side of the case ( ( on the right for the Chronographe, while it is on the left, on the Q.L ), but, in both cases, it is  close to the complication it serves.
 
Similar but different, that is what we can also say about the movements.
 
The Chronographe ( Cal 380 ) :
 
 
 
 
The Quantième Lunaire ( Cal 381 ) :
 
 
 
 
Of course, as they are both Duometres, the concept of the movement is the same, mechanically and aesthetically.
 
- 2  independant barrels, one dedicated to a complication, the other to the balance wheel or Time, a large balance wheel beating at the slow pace of 21 600 alterances per hour, 50 hours power reserve, a high level of decoration with an interesting finish.
 
The " air de famille " is obvious between these 2 shining stars, but they are different, as shown on the side by side photo:
 
 
 
 
Of course, all the Chronograph parts disappeared on the Quantième Lunaire, but there is more than this natural obvious difference:  On the Chronographe, the bridges are much more sculptured, differently shaped, too, and you have this flange, at the left of the wheel,  on the Q.L, between 9 and 11 o'clock, which is used to reset the 2 second hands ( the central one and the small Foudroyante ) to zero.
 
Both limited to 200 pieces, these 2 Duometre in White Gold show some important differences.
 
The last question is to know if it is worth getting both of them.
 
Personally, I think YES.
 
First, because of the inner beauty of these marvels.
 
Then, and last  but not least, because of the interest of these horological beasts:
 
The Chronographe is one of the finest, in this complication,  and so is the Quantième Lunaire,  which is a romantic Chronometre, and  quite unique in this category.
 
Looking forward to reading your comments,
 
Best.
 
Nicolas.
This message has been edited by amanico on 2014-10-01 20:18:26


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 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : October 1st, 2014-12:08
summit of watch portraits but how very wrong I was This shot are just sublime as well as 2 beauties you presented This two should be sold in pairs :) Yours D
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What an unsolvable dilemma.. The Head vs the Heart ?..Both superb !.. :))

 
 By: hs111 : October 1st, 2014-12:54
.. +1 on your solution, D. ! Best, hs
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In this case, the Heart and the Heart.... ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2014-14:19
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Sold in pair.... That could be an excellent idea! Thanks, Darko. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2014-14:18
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excellent pictures

 
 By: mjnoumoff : October 1st, 2014-12:21
and post. wonderful information...thank you!
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Thanks for reading my prose, Matt. Tempted by a Duometre? [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2014-14:20
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One of those, to be bookmarked.. One of those to be enjoyed.. And ..

 
 By: hs111 : October 1st, 2014-12:51
..the pictures are superb, and so are your descriptive lines ; - Pretty much, until now, for me it was by far the QL, and still is, but to be honest, the Chronograph has been growing in me.. It is just, this moon, this blue moon on the very black " surfac... 
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The Chronographe is an instant love, the QL takes more time...

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2014-14:21
No, better said, it requires more time to be fully understood, then appreciated. Best, and thanks for your feedback, my dear friend. Nicolas
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excellent post amico...

 
 By: gensiulia : October 1st, 2014-14:12
...without any doubt, to me, the most beautiful specimens of Duometres so far. great pictures as always, oh man, black is the new black. word. ciao, chris
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Well, I wrote this article a long time ago....

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2014-14:17
Since, the WL enamel came... And I am a bit lost. ;) Best, and grazie, Amico. Nicolas
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Wow,this was unexpected but soooo welcome...

 
 By: moc : October 1st, 2014-14:25
impressive to see them side by side.....to tell you the truth,I thought about that combo myself,but i like the diversity of my couple... Talking about the colour of the power reserve hand on the QL,I think it makes TOTAL sense......... Here is what i thin...  
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Thaks for your feedback, Mo. I was sure you would like this thread.

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2014-20:28
I cannot agree more, the QL is all about precision. Its conception, the Diablotine ( this small second running fast and continuously ), and the fact that you can stop the 2 second hands and reset them to zero, shows that it precision is its aim. I had the... 
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Greedy as usual......

 
 By: moc : October 1st, 2014-23:43
I am glad that after a little debate with myself,I decided to stick to my black QL....posts like this make me love it even more....I will wear it today.. Mo
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I can't choose between these 3. They are so complementary.

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2014-23:45
One Duometre for each occasion. How good would be life! Enjoy your Duo of Duometres, my friend! Best, Nicolas
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Curious to know what the next one will be....

 
 By: moc : October 1st, 2014-23:52
How will they use the dual wing system again?? Mo
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An epitomesque Alarm would be the TOP! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 2nd, 2014-02:27
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Tantalum case? [nt]

 
 By: moc : October 2nd, 2014-02:43
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Not sure Tantalum has the best acoustical virtues. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 2nd, 2014-02:51
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Hi Nico, pls correct me if I am wrong but....

 
 By: ik2000 : October 1st, 2014-18:44
in the Q.L. the small seconds hands (i.e. 1/6th second dial) is ALWAYS in motion, there is no option to 'turn it off'so to speak. Whereas in the chrono, as the small seconds is used for within the chrono function, it typically sits still in day to day use... 
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You are right. You cannot stop the small second hand on the QL.

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2014-20:31
To be more precise you can stop it, and reset it to zero when pulling the crown, but, otherwose, you cannot. It works continuously, while, on the Chronographe, you start it when you start the chrono function. On the QL, this is not a problem, the relaibil... 
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+1...IMO, the continuous 1/6th second hand is distracting when not in chrono mode [nt]

 
 By: vitalsigns : October 2nd, 2014-14:33
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If you think about accuracy, it may be justified. But I see your point. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 2nd, 2014-20:55
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I don't think I was clear

 
 By: vitalsigns : October 2nd, 2014-22:26
to me, it's OK on the chrono, as it can be started and stopped with the chrono but I don't like it on the QL as it cannot be stopped, so I think it would be distracting. And since there is no chrono on the QL and the 1/6th hand cannot be stopped, the 1/6t... 
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Love these two "Beasts" very much.....

 
 By: Sandgroper : October 1st, 2014-19:17
Thank you Nicolas. The blue of the moon is really striking on the QL, even though and due to its colour it looks more like the Planet Earth:) nevertheless it is very Romantic and appealing. The one difference I can notice clearly is the Foudroyante, on th... 
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Yes, this is a confusing detail due to the graduation of the small second, on the QL.

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2014-20:35
Well seen, François! All the best, my friend. Nicolas
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That's the eye of the Platypus:)

 
 By: Sandgroper : October 1st, 2014-22:15
Cheers my friend hope you're keeping well! Francois
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Both are superb ...

 
 By: jlux : October 2nd, 2014-01:41
...as all of the Duometre versions! Diffiult to choose one over the other but being a chronograph lover, that would be (and was) my first option. The perfect pair could be the PT chronograph with the white gold QL ? Best , Gerard
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Well, the platinum " à Chronographe " is a top watch.

 
 By: amanico : October 2nd, 2014-02:35
I owned it for 3 years, and absolutely loved it, but I think that the white gold adds a touch of coolness. The WG Q.L? You mean the enamel? Hmmmm! ;) Best, and thanks for sharing your thoughts, Gerard. Nicolas
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The black dial Duometres are my favorite Duos. Great review and cf., thanks [nt]

 
 By: vitalsigns : October 2nd, 2014-14:32
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Thanks for sharing your opinion, John. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 2nd, 2014-20:47
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I never realized....

 
 By: watchme : October 3rd, 2014-06:50
how much more beautiful THIS moonphase is vs the rose version. The Milky Way, behind the moon, in this example has MANY stars, whereas the original had only 7 or 8. I hope JLC will start using more beautiful moonphases in all their watches. -Dean
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Yes, this one is pretty nice. The other question will be to know which one we prefer...

 
 By: amanico : October 3rd, 2014-08:33
Between the enamel and this WG QL... ;) Best, nicolas
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love the QL

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 15th, 2014-06:22
I would pick the QL over the chrono. The chrono might be a bit 'cleaner', but the QL (as you said) is more warm. And the time display is on the right side of the dial. one day one day
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One day, I hope we'll both be able to write " Habemus Duometrum ". :) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 15th, 2014-06:32
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+1000 [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 15th, 2014-11:12
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Let's keep all our fingers crossed, then. ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 16th, 2014-11:23
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A steel Duometre...

 
 By: ifraher : November 11th, 2014-15:26
Do you think the Duometre line will ever be housed in a steel case or will it remain at a higher 'strictly precious metal' level? Regards
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Strictly precious metal. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : November 11th, 2014-22:09
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here's hoping...

 
 By: ifraher : November 16th, 2014-09:33
They have a the Master Grand Réveil in Steel, I was hoping they would house a Duometre in Steel eventually.
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Don't you fear it will be a risk for the Duometre " exclusivity "? [nt]

 
 By: amanico : November 16th, 2014-10:40
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Cost wise...

 
 By: ifraher : November 16th, 2014-09:43
I doubt it would actually make a considerable impact on the overall cost but it certainly would open the Duometre up to a larger market.
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