Why power reserve?

Oct 01, 2009,04:44 AM
 

MJT,

If you have a watch winder and the watch will be on it all the time when not on the wrist, then the power meter is not that useful.

However if your expected Master Reserve de Marche is not something you wear all the time and you don't use a watch winder, then it is very useful to know when approximately the watch will stop. For example if you are traveling and you rely on the watch the next morning to tell time, you want to make sure it still has 10+ hours of power left before hitting the bed. Or you will be sitting in a half day meeting (without much movement), you can check to see how much you can trust the watch won't stop as the meeting progress. Or you have a desk job ... Well, you get the idea.

Unlike a manual wind, you shouldn't manually wind an automatic all the way, and so it's hard to tell at which point the watch is at full reserve.

That said, with your wrist size, you should also look at both the 34mm MUT and the 38mm MUT. Although JLC intended to discontinue the 34mm MUT earlier this year, it has since decided otherwise. With my MUT I don't have the problem in guessing when it will stop. I pick up the watch, give it about 20 winds until it won't let me wind any more, and I know it will stop after 38 hours. Plain and simple.

Another round watch you could also contemplate is the old Master Hometime (2008 and older). However the disadvantage of that watch is it doesn't have the reserve de marche meter. And although it is 40mm, with the thick bezel and relatively busy dial, it fits a 6.5" wrist quite well too. Unfortunately the same size new/current Hometime will look too big on your wrist as the thin bezel will make it looks a lot bigger than the old Hometime. Similarly the 40mm Master Control will look funny too. Although the bezel is the same thickness as the old Hometime, the dial is too simple and so it appears quite a bit bigger than the old Hometime on the wrist.

Good luck in any JLC, especially the RDM.


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Master RMD - advice sought

 
 By: MJT : October 1st, 2009-01:14
I am new to the forum and wanted to canvas members' views on the following. My wife has asked me to choose a watch for my 40th birthday. After much research I have settled on the JLC Master series, because I like watches to be descrete and elegant. Howeve... 

Correct, MJT

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2009-01:45
I can't agree more with you on the fact that the only silly question is the one you don't ask. You will see here a lot of fans of the RDM. I woldn't say that it houses " sought after " complications, but it is indeed a lovely and very temtping watch. The ... 

Why power reserve?

 
 By: MartyW : October 1st, 2009-04:44
MJT, If you have a watch winder and the watch will be on it all the time when not on the wrist, then the power meter is not that useful. However if your expected Master Reserve de Marche is not something you wear all the time and you don't use a watch win... 

Could you elaborate?

 
 By: MJT : October 1st, 2009-04:55
Thanks both. In relation to complications being "sought after", I was asking in general rather than specifically in relation to the RDM. I figured that maybe complications were seen by officianados as desirable because they represent a greater level of te... 

MUT without date

 
 By: MartyW : October 1st, 2009-06:13
MJT, Yes, you are right that neither of the MUTs has a date window. I now understand why you haven't mentioned them in your OP. I don't know much about the inner working of the reserve de marche complication, and so I can't comment on it. But you are also... 

Perhaps reconsider the MUT?

 
 By: respo : October 1st, 2009-09:26
Welcome to the Forum. In selecting to go with a JLC you have chosen wisely, and I think you will not go wrong no matter which you choose. If I had a wrist size like yours, I would go for the MUT (original 34mm version) without any hesitation whatsoever. N... 

Does JLC still manufacture a 34m version?

 
 By: MJT : October 1st, 2009-10:40
Thanks respo. Is the 34mm version still available new (do JLC still make them?) or would I have to source one pre-owned? I don't feel confident enough to go down the pre-owned route, so it's an important consideration. Also, I'm looking at SS only, for bu... 

Not anymore in the 2009 Catalogue,

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2009-10:45
But : 1/ Even if it is discontinued, you can find one new in box easily at your AD or at a JLC Boutique. 2/ When the new MUTs were presented ( 2008 ), it was not planned to stop the MUT 34 mm. Will have to ask to JLC. Best, Nicolas

Yes, I believe the 34mm MUT is still in production and...

 
 By: respo : October 1st, 2009-11:44
available in stainless steel. The 34mm MUT is still listed on the JLC website at any rate. In any case, and as Nicolas already pointed out, I think you should have no problem locating a new one from an AD if you wish, so you can avoid the secondhand marke... 

ok, well, I will give it a try

 
 By: MJT : October 1st, 2009-12:48
along with the RDM for comparison. ... although I note the MUT is more expensive than the RDM :-(

I am not sure about that...

 
 By: respo : October 1st, 2009-12:56
I was under the impression that the 34mm MUT is actually a little less expensive than the RDM if you are comparing stainless steel on a leather strap for both models. I could be wrong, however. respo

Naaah

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2009-13:08
The MUT is around 500 Euros less expensive than the Master RDM ( both in SS, of course ). Best, Nicolas

well that is good news

 
 By: MJT : October 1st, 2009-13:29
also, how do the movements compare in each? I gather from another post in this thread that the RDM has an updated movement but the MUT uses an existing (older) one?

Are you more Automatic or Manual movement?

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2009-13:42
The Cal 938 is a nice movement, but I would rate the Manual Cal 849 above. This is a superb caliber, with a nicer finish compared to the Cal 938. Therefore, you don't have to forget that Ultra Thin movements are a kind of defy. With 1, 85 mm thick, the 84... 

Here's why you should get an RDM, MJT:

 
 By: marcelo : October 1st, 2009-07:29
Marcelo...  

Marcelo, that's a very nice watch

 
 By: MJT : October 1st, 2009-08:55
... not to mention a fantastic picture - great camera work. I have to tell you it's been a frustrating search. Having decided on a JLC I then discovered that the Master range is all 40mm or larger (and, as I mentioned, too big for my wrist). What I'd love... 

It’s not just you, MJT

 
 By: marcelo : October 1st, 2009-09:48
I’ve been curious about that too for quite some time too... Maybe some of our fellows can enlighten us And thanks for the kind words on my picture – if you knew the camera I used to take it you wouldn’t believe me... Marcelo

The Mut 1st generation is 34 mm

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2009-10:03
The MUT new version is 38 mm... Master RDM apart, yes, all the other are around 40 mm, or a bit more. It seems to be the new standard for watches. Best, Nicolas

But why enlarge all models except one?

 
 By: MJT : October 1st, 2009-10:34
Nicolas, that would be logical if every watch in the line was 40mm or larger, but what I don't get is why the RDM should have stayed smaller. Why would you enlarge all but one of your models?

Maybe because it will not stay

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2009-10:40
In the catalogue? This is just my guess, it is the only reason which comes to my mind. It has been a long time in the catalogue without any change, by the way... Best, Nicolas

I don't know why either

 
 By: MartyW : October 1st, 2009-11:11
why the RDM stays as it is. But I am not complaining. When JLC came out with the ceramic ball bearing, autoractor and free-sprung balance, what we have was A) 37mm Master Grand Taille discontinued, now it's Master Control at 40mm, B) 38mm Master Geographi... 

Here's a thought....

 
 By: watchme : October 1st, 2009-12:25
I sold (and miss greatly) the Master Moon with silver dial. You could look for a used one. It's a GREAT daily watch. -Dean

Nice reasoning, Marty!

 
 By: marcelo : October 2nd, 2009-16:45
Especially your “mutually exclusive reasons”. Marcelo This message has been edited by marcelo on 2009-10-02 17:00:50

MUT and Hometime

 
 By: foowy : October 1st, 2009-20:33
I just got my MUT 34mm and am loving it more daily....so expectedly I would highly recommend it. You would have read all the good things about it. The other suggestion is for the old Master Hometime, which I also own. Its a great watch where you have the ... 

MUT 34mm vs Zenith Elite automatic

 
 By: MJT : October 2nd, 2009-11:02
Ok, well I finally got to try on the MUT 34mm today. It is very nice indeed. The lady at the AD also showed me a Zenith Elite Automatic (01.1125.680/01.C490). It is similar in style and size to the JLC, but with a date and second hand (I'm quite keen on a... 

As so many others have said, the RMD is

 
 By: SteveG : October 2nd, 2009-14:21
a superb watch, and of course if it steals your heart, then so you should pursue this one! That said, it seems you are open to considering other options, and I think the 34mm Ultrathin is worth examining. You are especially well positioned to enjoy this w...  

One final question

 
 By: MJT : October 3rd, 2009-11:31
Have members used xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx? It's an online dealer which seems to be about xx% cheaper than ADs. I just want to check that it's legit. ***GREY MARKET DEALER DELETED PER FORUM RULES**** This message has been edited by DRMW on 2009-10-03 11:53:59

Please also note that per our forum rules, we

 
 By: amanico : October 3rd, 2009-12:19
Never give bad or good points ( references ) to sellers. Some Web Sites do, not us. Best, Nicolas