A journey into Vintage boxes and a Headscratcher...

May 02, 2011,00:00 AM
 


We are always complaining about modern boxes, which take too much place in regard of our small environment.

In a certain way, we are right.

Except in some very few cases, when boxes are really magnificient, and are worth invading our house, there is a better solution, in my opinion, mainly if we have a look on what were boxes in the past.

Hence this post...

1/ If you want to travel with a watch box on you, so the etui is THE solution for you.



For the elegant man who wants to change his watch for a special event, dinner, as you change your clothes.

This etui was made for several watches from the 60ies, like the Futurematic, or the Memovox.

2/ The small carton box, conceived for small watches, is less elegant than the etui, but it offers the same advantages:



It was used for Chronos like the Jaeger.



Is it cumbersome?

You just have the place for your watch, no less, no more...

3/ The Master Mariner Box:

3 times thicker, but as large as the Etui, it is a beautiful blue box with some golden decorations.





Designed for Master Mariner watches only, it demonstrates that it doesn't have to be big to be appealing.

4/ An array of Memovox boxes:

For manual or automatic Memovoxes, from the 60ies to the 70ies, from the etui to the traditional boxes, the diversity is not only linked to watches, but also on the packaging.

The big " cubic " brown box was dedicated for a Memo HPG, from the 70ies, while the flatter brown box was used for a Memo from the 60ies, and the flatter blue one, for a Memo from the 70ies.

The Etuis were destined to use Memos from the 60ies, too.



5/ " Jubilé " boxes..

1958 was an important year, for JLC, as it was the 125th birthday of the " Grande Maison ".

To celebrate this event, JLC released some great watches, such as the Géophysic or the 2233, and packaged them with an interesting box, shaped as a book you can store on your shelves.

You certainly know the one on your left, which housed the Geophysic.



As for the one on the right, even if it is written " For 125 years ", it is not strictly speaking a Jubilé box, according to my understanding, but rather a packaging reminding that the Manufacture celebrated its 125th Anniversary.

So, this last box was not dedicated to one of the " Jubilé Collection " watch.

6/ The Chronometers boxes:

As we speak about the Geophysic box, we don't have to forget that JLC made a special box for their other Chronometer, the Geomatic:



Here, on the picture, on the right of the Geophysic box, of course, and on its top, the symbol designed like a planisphere, the same thah the one you find engraved on the Geomatic case back:



6/ The Vintage JLC Diving watches:

That series of boxes is interesting.

From the left to the right, you have the box of the Deep Sea Alarm US ( I don't know what is the box for the Deep Sea Alarm Europe, by the way ), the LeCoultre Polaris, the LeCoultre Chronograph so called Shark, and on the top, the box of the Jaeger-LeCoultre Polaris/ Polaris II or / and Chronograph.



Of course the outside writings " Jaeger-LeCoultre match with the inside writings.

They are not specially fine, except the box of the Deep Sea Alarm US, but a least they don't take too much place.

The Deep Sea Alarm US in its box, with its papers:



The place...

Take the boxes of the Duometre / MMR and add the box of the Navy SEALs Alarm, for example.

Now, compare these two boxes with the 14 Vintage boxes, and you will immediately see that these old packaging take much less place than the 2 modern!



Despite this interesting journey in the Past through these Vintage boxes, I think there is a lot to think for the " Grande Maison " about the conception of their boxes...

Do you think we are please or annoyed by the size of the modern packaging?

This is a tough question:

If you're an occasional buyer, you may be please to see that you'll receive a huge box for your watch, and you will store it easily.

But if you have several watches, are these big boxes a good thing?

Would your opinion depend on the watch, or on the quality of the box?

Food for thought.

To end with this topic, let me show you a real rare bird, a box conceived in the 50ies, which was used for watches and jewelry.

I don't really know which was the watch dedicated to this box, but I assume that any of your " most exceptional watch in the world " would deserve such a marvel.

If you don't have any jewelry, you could use the unused place to store your beloved straps, papers and Vintage Buckles!

Credit pictures: Greg B.





Best,

Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-05-02 00:01:39 This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-05-06 01:53:51


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Such boxes.. Really mark entrances to joys.. Marvellous ! :))

 
 By: hs111 : May 2nd, 2011-01:10
Well - Nicolas: The first of the selected May - menu items - What a nice Hors d'oevre !! That was a very nice, no in fact - a pleasant post - looking back in so much style into a time, where the proper "wrapping", the noble containment was matching, even ... 

Don't get me wrong, hs, there are some moderrn boxes which are truly ...

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-22:36
Superb. The box of the Reverso platinum Nr 1, 2 and the Septantieme, for example, are awesome, as well as those which housed the LE RG Reversos from the 90ies. Superb, but they take some place... Simpler, smaller and less luxurious, the box of the TT Pola... 

Thanks, Damo. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-22:38
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Etuis have my preference !

 
 By: Clavi : May 2nd, 2011-03:58
To answer your question, I much more prefer the rather simple 'etuis' compared to huge and overly luxurious looking (though frequently china made) precious wood box sets that we see too often these days, and that are not practicle. I am in a rush, but jus...  

Interesting picture, Clavi, as it helps us to have an idea of the size of the box.

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-22:42
As big as a 13 " computer? Very nice one, by the way. Can't waot to see your other pictures and documention about it. Agreed with you that most of the modern boxes, even when they want to be luxurious, are not that appealing and absolutely not practical. ... 

I love the etui concept

 
 By: nilomis : May 2nd, 2011-07:22
Nicolas, The " 1/ If you want to travel with a watch box on you, so the etui is THE solution for you .", is the solution. I'm a little tired of the modern "big is better" boxes concept. Cheers

Well, Nilo, it all depends on several factors...

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-23:00
If you're a " one watch guy ", then why not a big, luxurious, extremely well finished, and flattering box? If you're a collector, things are morte complicated: Where to store all these big boxes? Therefore, I wouldn't say that they are ugly, but I find th... 

A real headscratcher this topic…

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : May 2nd, 2011-10:48
Nicolas, you have a wonderful collection of vintage boxes! Thank you for posting this thread – this topic has puzzled me for a long time. I have a million questions but very few answers… I will have to gather my reflections and come back to this post - so... 

Here is an attempt to gather what I think I know so far...

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : May 2nd, 2011-14:44
OK, Nicolas – here is an attempt to gather what I think I know so far… If we just talk about the regular boxes and not the special once for a while. In my thinking boxes pre-1983 can be divided into three colours: Green, Blue, Brown. To cover all the LeCo...  

Thank you, Georges! :)

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : May 5th, 2011-14:02

The chronology seems correct, to me.

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-23:14
Basically: Green, Blue, then Brown, with, as you said, at the end of the 60ies, circa1968, should I say, a 1 or 2 year period where you saw both blue and brown boxes. Things are not easy with Burgundy boxes, and specially the box of the DSA US ( Who knows... 

Burgundy boxes…

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : May 5th, 2011-14:22
I have seen a few different. Most LeCoultre late 50ties early 60ies. But some Jaeger LeCoultre as well! The European DSA? That is a good question! Same as the US? Didn’t the Polaris have the same box for both US and European version? Here are some burgund...  

The JLC Polaris doesn't have the same box than its Lecoultre sister.

 
 By: amanico : May 5th, 2011-22:13
Go to the 10th pic from the top of my original post... The " golden " box is the correct one for the JLC Polaris, while the green one is for the Lecoultre Polaris. Definitely, the box for the European DSA is different, it cannot be a Lecoultre. But which ... 

Here are a few more shots…

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : May 8th, 2011-09:05
Leather outer, wood frame. No print on the outside. Inside print: Jaeger Le-Coultre , Geophysic Chronometer. With a extra room for the buckle Any theory? For the De Luxe model? Never seen anymore like it. Best, my friend Blomman...  

Never seen it, either.

 
 By: amanico : May 8th, 2011-09:09
But it is true that I've never seen the box of the Geophysic De Luxe... So it may be the good answer. Let's see what the others say or think... Best, Nicolas.

nice geophysic blomman, thanks for sharing [nt]

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : May 8th, 2011-10:46
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Wonderful Blomman! Matt [nt]

 
 By: MattS : May 6th, 2011-23:52
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Thanks, Matt! :) [nt]

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : May 8th, 2011-08:51
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Very nice Tour d'hôrizon .. And pleasant time-travel .. Thank you ! :)

 
 By: hs111 : May 5th, 2011-07:42
Well, that was really instructive, nice extension further to Nico's stimulating post ! - The more, I look and listen to you both, the more I get allured to the Etui- concept, IMO for most of the watches, - maybe except the real 'grails' - but then, also t... 

Well HS, I for one would…

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : May 5th, 2011-14:11
I for one would love to see the rectangular flat box again! I do like the etui a lot, but they are not stackable… The blue and brown rectangular are..! But, like Nicolas suggested – with wooden frame and leather outer. With high quality crafma... 

Bravo to the Chef!

 
 By: ocwatching : May 2nd, 2011-11:48
what a way to start the month of May! Very interesting and this is an auspicous start to the other items on the menu! I found the Jubile case very interesting, its too bad its no longer made for the modern pieces. This way, the boxes can be placed on a sh... 

Rolex, Panerai, AP ...

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-23:25
I find the Rolex box has the right size. I would prefer something less cheap, though, but it is ok. Panerai??? The Pre Vendome boxes were perfect, correcttyl sized, not too high, all the contrary of the modern Panerai boxes... I had up to 30 Pannies, my f... 

Thank you for this great post

 
 By: zewok : May 2nd, 2011-13:26
I have both the "etui" box and the Memovox box. They are totally different but have each there charm. My pleasure is to store my watches for long period (2 or 3 week) in there boxes and when the desire is too great, I choose one and during the opening, it... 

You stock your watches in their boxes???

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-23:29
I hear you, my friend, and I totally understand the pleasure you can feel while doing so, but believe me, a " nice " burglary will make you change your mind very quickly. The Etui and the traditional box, yes, both are very cool! Hope that JLC wil release... 

a chrono in the etui; if you please nicolas........

 
 By: JMan : May 2nd, 2011-14:08
It is so elegant that it hurts not to have it!! J.

Yummy starters ...

 
 By: EdwardL : May 2nd, 2011-19:46
When I try out a new restaurant Usually the main course is good when the starters are good. What an interesting post. I just love the array of boxes in your collection. I'm a sucker for all things vintage, I would not be appealed, even if these modern box... 

What a great roundup

 
 By: Ubik : May 3rd, 2011-05:37
finding the box is sometimes as much a thrill as finding the watch.

Don't tell me, JUST don't tell me ...

 
 By: amanico : May 5th, 2011-06:37
That you found THE Superocean Time Only??? Please.... Best, Nicolas.

I was on to " fall in the apples ", like we say in French. :)

 
 By: amanico : May 5th, 2011-07:07
To collapse, as you say in GB. I'm runnign after the time only version for some 8 years, now... Best Nicolas.

Impressive collection!

 
 By: nikolaj : May 3rd, 2011-05:39
Always interesting to see these vintage boxes as they are rather rare - more so than their original content, no? In reply to one of your question in the post: I would never be influenced by the box in evaluating whether to get a watch or not. Only exeptio... 

In some case, yes, we could say that the box is rarer than the watch.

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-23:44
It is the case for the Geophysic, for example. Not for the Memovox E 855, as you can, with a bit of patience, find a correct box, with out too many efforts. Yes, the volume of the papers increased a lot, now that you have them in all the possible language... 

Full consent!

 
 By: anaesdoc : May 3rd, 2011-09:13
Thanks Nico and blomman for showing us your various vintage JLC boxes resp. etuis! The smaller etuis are much more elegant and sophisticated than the huge boxes which accompany many of the contemporary timepieces (Grand Seiko is one exception, I think). D... 

I subscribe to your words, anaesdoc. Nicely put. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-23:46
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Sure! :) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 5th, 2011-04:16
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Nico, your post makes this May so much fun ahead...

 
 By: FanFrancisco : May 3rd, 2011-09:46
... i have read few times on your post before penning down my response here. i would say you are not only a lawyer by training, but you are also fantastic writer that can make such so-called simple watch boxes in a fun and enjoyable post. i think it is be... 

I am convinced that the size of the bow has nothing to see with the size of the watch.

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-23:53
I rather think it is part of a marketting decision. I mean, the Manufactures thought at a certain moment that luxury items had to be packaged in big boxes, to enhance the ( right or wrong, by the way ... ) feeling of Luxury, to " look " serious. Sometimes... 

Very interesting, and you know how much I love packaging...

 
 By: patrick_y : May 3rd, 2011-15:26
I am a big fan of packaging, particularly the method of how watches are packaged and presented. I especially like boxes, cigar humidors, and things of the like. Thank for sharing this post and explaining to us how Jaeger-LeCoultre timepieces were packaged... 

Extravagant tombs that are never to be seen...

 
 By: patrick_y : May 5th, 2011-01:15
Honestly, we all know the boxes are useless. They're stored in a closet, away from sight, never to be seen or used again. And this is coming from a person who pays great emphasis on packaging and presentation. In many ways, minimalism is probably better f... 

Agreed on PP, AP and Blancpain boxes, Patrick.

 
 By: amanico : May 5th, 2011-05:07
I think that the most beautiful box I've ever seen was for my Blancpain PC Chrono in white gold, and the one of my Septantieme. Better than the PP boxes I had the opportunity to have. Most of the time useless, though, except if they are small enough to be... 

Nice question about boxes...

 
 By: Echi : May 4th, 2011-00:05
Maybe the size of the box depends on the image of the brand or of a particular line of pieces from that brand. I might expect a big box from Panerai, Hublot or AP. I'd love a small, functional understated but well-made leather case for JLC like the etui(?... 

Superbly put, Echi. Love your idea, and to say all...

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-23:56
Yes, I think that the packaging should also reflect the image we have of the brand. Can't agree more with your words, and I do hope that the brands will read you. Best, Nicolas.

this has to be one of the very best collection of vintage boxes I have seen in a while

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : May 4th, 2011-12:11
Outstanding condition almost like new.. Those boxes are just superb. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for your comments, Imran. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 4th, 2011-23:58
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I’m sure most of you are aware of…

 
 By: nwp627 : May 4th, 2011-17:11
...the tremendous amount of work that goes into the design, shape and type of printing used for consumer packaging. My younger sister has been in graphic design for over twenty years and her stories of the demands of clients never cease to amaze me. Her c... 

These are very interesting comments, Neil.

 
 By: amanico : May 5th, 2011-00:00
I feel functionality and pleasure are the two most important factors, here. At least to me. Best. Nicolas.

Watch Boxes

 
 By: itt : May 5th, 2011-06:15
Watch boxes are something I am very interested in. I have around 250 vintage boxes of various brands. I am convinced that like bracelets there was 1,2 or very few companies making these accessories for all the major swiss watch manufacturers. The vintage ... 

Don't know who manufactured the boxes for the Manufactures, oinkitt.

 
 By: amanico : May 5th, 2011-07:17
But for sure, it would be interesting to know! 250 Vintage boxes??? Care to share some of the most significant with us? Best, Nicolas.

My late opinion..

 
 By: moc : May 6th, 2011-02:28
I think big luscious boxes are great,they are part of the charm and magic of an important timepiece,part of the experience. There is nothing more magic than opening that box for the first time in the comfort of your living room...just sublime.... I unders...  

I love the Crocodile Etui...

 
 By: amanico : May 6th, 2011-02:32
Excellent idea from De Bethune, indeed. And the box shaped as a book looks also very familiar to me. I do get your point about big boxes for fine watches, as long as they are well made and finished. But believe me, stocking let's say ... 15 or 20 of these... 

An entire room..

 
 By: moc : May 6th, 2011-02:42
dedicated to watch boxes and wardrobe?...The ultimate luxury indeed....One couldn t be happier I suppose... I hope 2011 will bring us a few more boxes Nico... Mo

Appropriate and elegant double.. Great set ! :)

 
 By: hs111 : May 6th, 2011-03:12
In this case, really - the watch and the boxes appear not only matching but enhancing each other - and thus, the piece is .. well, elegantly presented ! Both , the main box, and the croc travel-etui are really nice, indeed. I can relate to the feeling you... 

The perfect box

 
 By: Clavi : May 6th, 2011-05:53
You probably can't get smaller than that. Still, that is perfect for the purpose: They had it right from the beginning (JLC and others as well), so why did they have to engage in this race for the biggest / most ostensible box ? I hope that your call for ...  

This is exactly the box I had in mind, Clavi.

 
 By: amanico : May 6th, 2011-05:55
Do we need bigger than that? Will send the link to JLC, by the way. Best, Nicolas.

A tribute to the reverso box

 
 By: Clavi : May 6th, 2011-06:44
It could have been good to have the new reverso tribute to 1931 released with a 'tribute' box as well. I think it is probably too 'extreme' in terms of marketing to sell a luxury watch today in such a small box (despite the 'tribute' concept). However, it... 

They thought about this for the TT Polaris.

 
 By: amanico : May 6th, 2011-06:48
Even if bigger and larger than the original, it was a nice " gesture ". I was wondering and hoping they would do it for the Reverso TT, alas it is not the case. Let's see what they will reserve for the TT DSA packaging. But yes, I totally concur with your... 

Yes, please ! .. Never too late .. Third attempt @ DSA ! ..

 
 By: hs111 : May 6th, 2011-07:32
I have to say, I am increasingly intrigued by the concept and examples of the 'add'l box' principle, for travelling or such. And that one done nicely.. Less is more .. Suchba goodie would also be a nice extra to be looking forward, But in any case, please... 

very nice Nico; Cool post. Matt [nt]

 
 By: MattS : May 6th, 2011-23:53
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Thanks a lot, Matt. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 6th, 2011-23:56
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Great finds!

 
 By: Marv : May 8th, 2011-10:51
Great thread with interesting finds. I have discovered very rare boxes, rare fonts. Thank you Nicolas and folks!

It is a captivating journey, as well as the documents, Marv...

 
 By: amanico : May 8th, 2011-11:05
As for the documents, I still have to do this journey... About the boxes, well, I'm always on the hunt. But in both cases, they are a good witness of a certain era. Best, Nicolas.