A quick view on another Vintage JLC Military watch: The WWW.

May 09, 2011,22:27 PM
 

After having reviewed the Mark XI and the Mark VII Weems, let's have a look on the third JLC Military Watch, the WWW.



For those who want to know more about these watches, here are the links on the Mark XI:

jlc.watchprosite.com

And on the Mark VII Weems:

jlc.watchprosite.com

The WWW ( Wrist Watch Waterproof ), so often wrongly called Mark 10, was the only one among these 3 to not be a pilot watch, but to be used by the British Infantry, as well as by some other Armies, such as Australia, or Holland.

Chronologically speaking, the WWW was the 2d to be released, in 1944, just after the Mark VII Weems, and way before the Mark XI, which appeared in 1948.

The funny thing is that it was the WWW which first caught my eyes, and the last I got, to complete my Military JLCs...

1/ The case:

The structure of the case is chromium plated, which looks like sandblasted, but with a very bright finish.

On some used case, you can see the golden brass under the chromium plated finish.

This is a small and thick watch, whose bestial look is enhanced by a large bezel.





On my watch, the crown is a small one, but I've seen several sizes for the crown.





The screw-in case back is in Stainless Steel, and bears all the informations of the watch:



The Model: WWW,

The famous Broad Arrow,

Above the broad arrow, the case number.

Under the WWW, a letter, which corresponds to the Brand of the watch, in this case " F ", ( a letter shared by Longines, too ), and a five digits number, which corresponds to the Army number.

Please note that, on the inside part of the case back, all these informations are also engraved, except the military number, after the code letter " F "as shown below:



On the case back picture, the shape of the lugs, long, curved and quite thin, are contrasting with the brutal volume of the case.

You will also notice the circular finish of the SS case back, and the fixed lugs, which is not always the case for the other Armies WWW.

2/ The Dial:

A Typical military design, shared by some other watches like the Longines, Omega, and so on...

- Painted non luminous numbers all around the dial, except the 5, 6, and 7, because of the small seconds subdial.

- The Broad Arrow, just below the name of the brand.

- The radium round and rectangular small indexes.

- The main part of the dial is smooth, while the small second subdial receives a circular finish.

- And...The magnificient cathedral hands, fitted with radium, too.





Personally, the WWW is my favourite JLC Military watch, because of this lovely dial.

The radium turned in a dark brown color on the indexes and hands, the Cathedral hands, and this small seconds subdial bring a lot of charm to this watch, even if I'd prefer having a SS case instead of this chromium plated finish.

The slighly domed, then flat plexy doesn't ruin the excellent legibility, and adds warmth and sweetness to the dial.

3/ The movement:

Removing the case back is another pleasant experience, as you will be able to have a look on the Cal 479, a nice brass movement whose finish is an eye catcher, with the anglages and Cotes de Genève.

The architecture - not to speak about the sculpture - of the 2 biggest bridges is characteristic to the JLC movements of this era, as on the 45O, or the 478.





Isn't it nice?



It is 28,25 mm big, and 4, 05 mm high manual winding movement, without shock protection, bearing 17 jewels.

No hacking seconds, but a well built and accurate movement.

I monitered mine, and I observed that it runs 5 seconds fast, per day.

Another nice detail is that the Cal 479 was only housed in the WWW, and as said in Zaf Basha's book, it " has not been observed in civilian applications ".

4/ On the wrist:

One last question remains:

Isn't this 35 mm watch a bit too small, if we compare nowadays habits in terms of size?

Maybe I'm used to wear so modestly sized watches, with the 1937 Reverso, the Weems or the Mark XI, but I have to say that it is very nice on the wrist.

The size is not shocking at all, with a nice presence, due to its thickness, and the chromium plated brass case.





It deserves to join the Vintage Military JLC Collection!



Best to All,

Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-05-09 22:28:50 This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-05-12 23:33:06

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I actually find the design quite modern

 
 By: grigo : May 9th, 2011-22:42
and I also like the usual roof top shot. I am very happy as I now know a lots more about JLC military watches. Good way to start a Tuesday. Best regards, George

Timeless, George. Maybe because there are still some re interpretations ...

 
 By: amanico : May 11th, 2011-23:42
Of the Pilot watches? Best, Nicolas.

As always..

 
 By: EdwardL : May 9th, 2011-23:47
A very pleasant read. Thanks for the review. Nice view from the balcony or window shot. Good job chef. Best my friend. Ed This message has been edited by Edward Lee on 2011-05-09 23:51:59

My pleasure, Ed.

 
 By: amanico : May 11th, 2011-23:43
I still have a review to post, on my last Military JLC.... They are fascinating watches, to me. Best, Nicolas.

Impressive finnish for a ....

 
 By: bimbeano : May 10th, 2011-00:14
... military movement. Your JLC collection is also becoming quite impressive my friend . Time for me to come and visit the museum in Paris )) Greetz, Filip

You're welcome, Filip.

 
 By: amanico : May 11th, 2011-23:44
Yes, this movement is awesome, as well as the one housed in the Mark 11. See you soon? Best, Nicolas.

Paris ...

 
 By: bimbeano : May 12th, 2011-00:24
... will be soon ... but remember we have a balloon-flight tomorrow ... friday the 13th ... Scary Bim

THAT was a revelation post.. SO interesting and still appealing ! :))

 
 By: hs111 : May 10th, 2011-03:27
Thank you for this interesting "Second Course" of the May menue ! I have to say, I had ZERO knowledge about military watches and editions and am pretty taken by the strong personality but also the charme of this WWW - The radium hands, though understandab... 

These Military are another great thema to explore.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-00:27
There are nice treasures, here, such as this one and the Mark 11. The dials are very interesting, too, with these amber radium dots, giving warmth and charm to the watch. The main problem, well, according to people's taste, is the size: 32, 33 and 35 mm s... 

Impressive and beatiful

 
 By: nilomis : May 10th, 2011-03:44
Nicolas Your bag of tricks seems to be bottomless. Again, I'm amazed that a tool/military watch carries a very decorated movement. Warm thanks for sharing this piece of history.

Not that bottomless, Nilo.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-00:51
I try to only get what has an interest for my collection. Can't cover all the themas, and even inside a thema, there are watches I won't jump on. Let's take the example of this WWW or of the Mark 11. If I had to get all the WWW or the Mark 11 ever made, I... 

rugged, yet charming, thx Nico! [nt]

 
 By: sancerre : May 10th, 2011-03:58
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Nicely summed, Sancerre. Thanks. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-00:52
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Nice one, Nic.

 
 By: Davo : May 10th, 2011-05:29
A great conversation piece, I'm sure. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks, Davo. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-00:53
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Beautiful movement

 
 By: respo : May 10th, 2011-05:34
I was surprised to see how sculpted and beautiful the movement is on this military watch. A very pleasant surprise. I very much like that trio of military watches -- that is an excellent collection in and of itself. Thans for the history lesson, Vlad. Bes... 

Hidden treasure, for sure.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-00:57
The movement is another captivating aspect of this watch, indeed. Will try to make a comparative post about it and the Mark 11 and the Geophysic movement. Could we have this kind of " work of Art " in a modern JLC? That is what I would like to see! Best, ... 

I will look forward to that

 
 By: respo : May 12th, 2011-04:46
I love the movement discussions -- I learn so much from these kinds of forum discussions. Best always, respo

Great work on the 2nd Course...

 
 By: ocwatching : May 10th, 2011-08:18
Loved the history lesson. I too will mirror others above in that I had no idea that JLC supplied the military. And that movement is beautifully finished for a tool watch. Too bad that art has been lost today as money drives all decisions. Any additional i... 

There is no French Army JLC WWW, Phil.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-01:07
The watches were delivered at the end of the 2d WW, to armies such like Australia, English and Dutch. Like you, I would love to see such a manual movement in our modern JLCs. Let's pray loud. Best, and thanks for your kind comments, Phil. Nicolas.

WWW, thanks for the share Nicolas ! [nt]

 
 By: foullis : May 10th, 2011-10:19
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My pleasure, Milan. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-01:07
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great stuff as usual amanico, thanks for sharing but wasn't the weems a Longines?

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : May 10th, 2011-11:47
But on big question raises from my curious mind, wasn't the weems a Longines watch???? If yes, was it rebadged as Lecoultre because it was also made by jlc as a variant using jlc's own movements and not longines 12.68z movement? If you can enlighten me on... 

Weems.

 
 By: BDLJ : May 11th, 2011-16:59
Weems (or Second correction watches) were made by several manufacturers under military designations: Longines, JLC, Omega, Movado....Non military ones are many and varied: Waltham etc etc. Perhaps you are thinking of the Hour-Angle watch, which I do beliv...  

thanks for the clarifications BLDJ [nt]

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : May 11th, 2011-19:29
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Glad I could help...

 
 By: BDLJ : May 11th, 2011-19:32
...I think my info is correct!

Not only Longines, Georges, but several other brands, as perfectly said by Ben.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-01:09
Even if the Longines and the JLC are very close. Thanks for your kind comments. Best, Nicolas.

Thank you for a great post, Nicolas!

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : May 10th, 2011-13:53
Love the WWW! Yours is in perfect condition! And the Cal 479… Well, I am always stunned by the fact that JLC made this kind of superb finish on the movement during war times when time to delivery must have been a crucial fact! The gilt movement, Geneva ba...  

Also this one, my friend .. You amaze me once more ! :)

 
 By: hs111 : May 11th, 2011-06:57
Have no experience, no knowledge, - no possession either, yet .. But have to say, this Triple W and very much the Mark XI are quite amazing pieces, Even more, given those times ! I salute you both, gentlemen as happy owners, and Nico again for this intere... 

I haven’t really started this journey…

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : May 11th, 2011-14:32
This one fell into my lap some years ago. And who am I not to pick it up?! One to see in the metal too fully understand and appreciate! But the one to see is Nicolas, absolutely stunning condition! Thank you, my friend! Best Blomman

That is a journey to do, Blomman.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-01:57
3 or b4 watches, and your bases are covered, when it comes to Vintage JLC Military watches. Of course, if you want to dig a bit more the topic, and the variations on each model, you will have a bit more work, but when you think that for the price of a Mil... 

Interesting JLC!

 
 By: BluNotte : May 10th, 2011-18:27
Thanks for sharing these tidbits of JLC and it's wondrous history always mon ami! A beintot Stephen

My pleasure, Stephen. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-02:08
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479

 
 By: BDLJ : May 10th, 2011-19:10
I love the fact that of all the WWWs, only JLC produced a unique movement for their watch. Pity about the terrible plated cases, though. Yours looks to be excellently restored.

Agreed on both points, Ben.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-02:12
I would have much preferred a ss case, not plated. As for rhe movement, it is an excellent one, but a mystery still remains: Nobody can say how many WWW were produced. So, if 10 000 were made, which is an official statement from JLC, that doesn't mean tha... 

among the trio, i like your Mark XI the most because..

 
 By: KC74 : May 11th, 2011-06:03
..its dial, the placement of numbers and the size of the numbers, combined with the hands, relative to the case, appears to be more balanced, and also, the crown on the Mark XI is also bigger. Big Crown JLC Mark XI perhaps? Nice looking.

I would have a slight preference for the Mark 11, because of the SS case.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-02:15
While the WWW has a rodium plated case... Best, Nicolas

Why rhodium plate the case on WWW? I noticed none of the trio..

 
 By: KC74 : May 12th, 2011-03:04
..of watches are antimagnetic as i presumed there will be a piece of soft iron plate after removing the caseback before reaching the movements.

On the Weems, the bezel is chromium plated.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-03:12
Mark 7 can be plated, too, on some of them. Why, I don't know, my friend. Good question. Best, Nicolas

maybe rhodium is antimagnetic i dunno.. But on jlc mark xi..

 
 By: KC74 : May 12th, 2011-08:51
at least it should be antimagnetic being so close to a pilot watch.

I don't think it has anything to do with amagnetism.

 
 By: BDLJ : May 12th, 2011-20:04
Of the 12 suppliers of W.W.W. watches, only 5 used stainless steel cases.The W.W.W. were general use Army watches, not RAF navigation watches so the specifications are rather general. My guess is that it was the fastest/easiest way to get the watches into... 

I think you are correct, Ben.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-22:25
The WWW iwas sent to the Infantry, who didn't need an amagnetic watch. At this time, watches had to be sent the fastest possible to the Army, and it may well be an explanation. Best, Nicolas;

Beautiful

 
 By: tinker2 : May 11th, 2011-06:54
But I STILL see G.O heavily influenced on the Navigator by the cases of the vintage JLCs!

In the early 40ies, you also had German pilot watches, Tinker.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-02:18
The big difference is that their case was bigger. The dial of these German pilot watches are also very close to the Senator Navigator Rimowa and no date current edition. Thanks for your comment. Best, Nicolas.

MkVII and MkX

 
 By: Clavi : May 12th, 2011-14:18
No MkXI for me unfortunately... Here is my MkVI 'fat' with a MKX 'white' The 'white' MkX might be an interesting story... I have always had some doubts about it being white (unheard of before), hence I have converted it since to a more conventional origin...  

Now that is an intriguing watch.

 
 By: amanico : May 12th, 2011-15:52
I saw another watch like yours, and I am pretty sure it was not yours, but I have to remember where... Damn memory. It was quite recent. As for the Mark VII fat lugs, it is a true beauty. No military markings, on the case back? Great Duo, Florian. Best, N... 

Nice old man.

 
 By: VMM : May 13th, 2011-01:25
Congrats, Nico, it looks great on your wrist. I like it. The movement looks in very good condition. Three beautiful oldies. The one on the right is my fav, the dial and hands look great to me. Thanks for sharing. Vte

Each of them has a story to tell, each of them has its own charm ...

 
 By: amanico : May 13th, 2011-03:14
And interest... That is the captivating thing with the Vintage in general, and with these military pieces in particular. The only issue is that they are quite addictive. Best, my friend. Nicolas.

Ø 35 mm is a small as I would go Nicolas

 
 By: =RWK= : May 13th, 2011-01:27
and even then, it would have to be something special. It is a very odd phenomena of how watches went from large pocket watches to small wrist watches, which should have come with mangnifing glasses. Still, I think this is very sharp looking So Nicolas, te... 

All these Military JLCs are part of the patrimony, and could well give some ideas...

 
 By: amanico : May 13th, 2011-03:18
As to read into Mr Lambert's mind, it is an impossible mission... Best, Richard. Nicolas.

Humble Q about the Vintage JLC- Militaries for the signatures..

 
 By: hs111 : May 13th, 2011-01:30
Upfront, kind apologies for my ignorance and maybe simple- minded question : - when enjoying post and pics about the Militaries, including a more than rewarding re-read of the wonderful 2009-post you had indicated about the Mark -11s and the Weems, Some q... 

Some answers, hs ...

 
 By: amanico : May 13th, 2011-03:25
- WWW qtands for ( I believe ) Wrist Wathc Waterproof. - The Arrow is the symbol of the British Army. - As for the numbers: Those above the arrow are the Case number. Those after the F are the military numbers. - F is the manufacturer letter and here, sta... 

What amazes me most is this picture...

 
 By: patrick_y : May 13th, 2011-09:48
Look at the chamfering, notice the jewel holes are bevelled, notice the spokes of the brass gear, etc. This is a mass-produced military watch with an emphasis on accuracy not movement finishing! How come it has such a high degree of finishing that we hard...  

Can't agree more with your words, Patrick.

 
 By: amanico : May 14th, 2011-23:21
Hence my previous post about a modern manual movement which would achive such qualities... There is some place, I think in the current JLC production, for such an exciting " Belle Horlogerie " offer. This WWW is more than an example, it is a lesson, in my... 

Tribute

 
 By: Ambos : June 16th, 2011-10:18
Many thanks for the great post Nicholas, highly interesting indeed! Beautiful witnesses of a very sad period of mankind... Have you resp JLC ever thought of a tribute watch, similar as for the Deep Sea? The design of them is timeless and surely would stil... 

Sure, Ambos... That would be very tempting.

 
 By: amanico : June 16th, 2011-12:37
One condition, though: A nice manual wind movement! I don't see an automatic movement as a good thing on such a great watch. The movement was a big part of the interest of this watch, for us, collectors. So has to be a modern one, if ever we see one one d... 

True, fully see your point and agree!

 
 By: Ambos : June 20th, 2011-06:35
Nevertheless, keep on pushing ;o) Good things always take time...

those vintage watches are a feast to my eyes

 
 By: Watchlover78 : June 16th, 2011-10:22
Thank you for the posting and the pics. Best regards Baxter