A special and intriguing watch: the 159, for the SHOM

Oct 11, 2010,11:31 AM
 





This watch belongs to the category of the timekeepers with an History.

Released in 1945 and produced till 1950, some of the 159 were delivered to the SHOM, which stands for " Service Hydrographique et Océanographique de la Marine ", a Service which belongs to the Ministry Of Defense which completes Civilian and Military tasks, as establishing maps of coasts and Ocean Depths all around the World.

To be clear, several thousand of 159 were made, and this reference was included in the catalogues of this era.

Here, with a black dial:



A few of them ( 20, 30, 50, 100 ? ) was delivered to this Service, so, this model was not specially made for the SHOM, at the contrary of the Military Mark 7, XI, or WWW destined to several Armies, but the 159 was chosen by the SHOM, certainly due to the qualities ( accuracy, reliability ) of this model ( but not modified for / by the SHOM ).

Its look is very discrete, as the watch is around 34 mm " big ", and there is nothing special to say about the dial, which, with time passing, turned to a creamy almost champagne color.

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But does a toolwatch really need to be exuberant?

The main goal is to keep the time, in an accurate, reliable and legible way, and this watch perfectly fits this purpose.

Small?

With a case which is only 34 mm, you could be tempted to say yes, but in fact, as there is no bezel, the important aperture of the dial makes it looking bigger than it is, like if it had a 37 mm case.

It isn't ridiculous at all, on the wrist.

It is well centred, and fills nicely the wrist, with an elegant presence.

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Radium was used for the arabic numbers, as well as for the blue heated hands.

Here, an original dial which, obviously, had hard life:





Both hands and indexes are still ( weakly ) glowing in full darkness...Which is always impressive to observe on such an old watch!

The case, conventional, is nicely shaped, with very harmonious lugs, which are 17 mm large.

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The non signed crown is perfectly sized, not too big nor too small, and well integrated to the case:

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The lugs are drilled, which is not an aberration, as I saw this detail on 8 other JLC SHOM watches, and the plexy, thick and quite slightly domed contributes to the character of this watch.

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Here, mine with its twin Sister, the Nr 24:



Or another one, Nr 11:





The case back says it all, it tells the story, the History of the watch, with some engraved informations.

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Here are the following engravings:

From the top:

S.H, which naturally stands for Service Hydrographique.

The Number of the watch delivered to the Service: Here, 12, or 24.

Then, the case number.

And under the case number, the number of the watch, which, on this watch, is 12, or 24, once again.

Inside the case back, you have no other mention than the usual " Acier Inoxydable " and the Lecoultre Signature, as shown below:

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On this watch, JLC opted for a snap back case.

So, what will we see inside the case?

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The Caliber P 478, which was introduced in 1945, and produced till 1965.

It has been housed in several models, and around 80 000 were made, during this period.

It is a 28,25 mm big and 5, 25 mm high caliber, fitted with shock protection, ( hence the use of " P " in front of the reference of the caliber ), and featuring a Central Second, which is not hacking.

It is certainly not a Chronometer, at the contrary of the other famous 478, The P 478 BWSbr, which is housed in the Géophysic.

The brass finish of this movement is more rugged, and basic than the 479, or than the 488 SBr / P 478 BWSbr, as there is no Cotes de Genève on the bridges, and the anglages are not nicely worked, for example.

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Still, it is a nicely designed movement, which shares an obvious " air de famille " with its more prestigious " brothers ".

Here are some macros of the Cal P 478:

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For the record, the Cal 479 housed in the WWW JLC Military Watch from 1944:

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I monitered it during a whole week, and it runs only 5 seconds fast per day, which is remarkable for a ( recently serviced ) 63 years old movement!

A superb unknown watch, whose discrete look hides a reliable, well built movement, which keeps a part of Mystery, as the Manufacture archives don't say how many were produced.

I contacted the SHOM which confirmed me that they ordered this watch, along with some other mechanical watches, like Omega, for example, " to perform hydrographic and oceanographic work. The concept of time "is fundamental in hydrography, for the calibration and verification of tide gauges. "



Even if it cannot be considered as a Military watch, as it wasn't obviously used for operations, it is, nonetheless a watch which has its importance, as well as a Pilot Watch, or a Géophysic, and without doubt, belongs to this category of Watches with History.

It just had to be rediscovered!

Hoping that you will enjoy this post,

Best to All,

Nicolas

PS I would like to thank the Heritage Team for their valuable help in providing me the informations about this watch, and the Service Hydorgraphique et Oécanographique de la Marine Francaise for having taken the time to reply to my several e mails.

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Thanks a lot for this excellent review Nico.

 
 By: foversta : October 11th, 2010-12:48
A simple watch at first glance but full of history and designed to be as efficient as possible. Its originality can be found in its side view. Thanks a lot for this review of a totally unknown watch to me. Fr.Xavier

My pleasure.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-00:34

Great pleasure to read, 3ple thnx & Begin the Begin !

 
 By: hs111 : October 11th, 2010-14:06
Actually this happens to be my first entry: recently got more and more enthused by this Website and your all Most informative and delightful posts. - Nicolas,needless to say, how valuable your contributions are - simply you achieved it again, thank you.. ... 

Thanks a lot for the nice compliment, HS.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-00:37
If this kind of post motivated you to enter our virtual world, that is indeed the nicest compliment you could do! Welcome here. Looking ofrward to hear more from you, Best. Nicolas. PS: Feel free to post a topic on your JLC watches, they are very interest... 

Thanks a lot, my friend.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-00:38

SHOM

 
 By: BDLJ : October 11th, 2010-15:37
"Even if it cannot be considered as a Military watch, as it wasn't obviously used for operations, it is, nonetheless a watch which has its importance, as well as a Pilot Watch, or a Géophysic, and without doubt, belongs to this category of Watches with Hi... 

I share your opinion on the interest of the SHOM, Ben.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-00:42
It is of course not necessary to be a military watch to have an interesting History. It is almost one year that I hide this one, that I study and I appreciate it, fully. One day, I will take a picture of the 3 important watches: The Mark 11, the Geophysic... 

Oceanographique....

 
 By: BDLJ : October 14th, 2010-17:45
....is much more my style than purely military diving. Now we just need to work out what watches the SOGETRAM guys wore...

excellent post as always

 
 By: DaMctosh : October 11th, 2010-17:38
Nicolas. Thanks for this review. Such a well proportioned and consistent 'tool' piece. Interesting that the caseback is engraved LeCoultre while the dial and movements are JLC. Perhaps it was originally headed for the US market? The 34mm doesnt looks smal... 

The Lecoultre engraved case back is not that uncommon, Damien.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-00:48
I saw many other examples on Jaeger Lecoultre watches, such as the JLC Master Mariner Dolphin, the JLC Powermatic, the JLC MM Deep Sea, the Military WWW, and so on. Happy to know that you appreciated the post ... And the watch! Best, Nicolas

Ah!

 
 By: DaMctosh : October 14th, 2010-08:50
As they say, you learn something every day. Thanks.

thanks amanico!

 
 By: DRMW : October 11th, 2010-23:30

Thank YOU, Ming.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-00:49

great biography of a watch

 
 By: maikeru : October 12th, 2010-00:10
and well worth the wait. interesting to hear that "several thousand" of the 159 were made, most for normal civilian use. i believe (yes?, no?) that the photo I have below is just such a specimen? note that here the numbers are blue. [the photos are not mi...  

Excellent post

 
 By: Bretta : October 12th, 2010-01:25
Many thanks for an excellent post. kind regards Bretta

Superb article (as always) Nicolas!

 
 By: GregB : October 12th, 2010-11:41
Beautiful watches and some great insight into an important model. I've never owned one of these, but you've left me desiring one! Best, Greg

Thanks a lot for your kind words, Greg B.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-00:56
It is a great compliment to read that this post made you desire getting one of these! Thanks a lot, and Best! Nicolas.

Well, Maikeru

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-00:54
Yes, the picture you posted is featuring a 159, a " civilian " one. Too small? I wouldn't say so, my friend. Once on the wrist, you can easily live with it! As for the indexes, they are not blue, I'd say more grey than blue. That is the effect of the radi... 

A tempting piece of history

 
 By: Dje : October 12th, 2010-03:42
Hi Nicolas, I really like this watch and as I generally dislike military watches (would I do an exception for a mk11?) this one is particularly savourable. Thanks for sharing. Cheers Dje

Well, Jerome, the Mark 11 is so lovely.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-00:58
You should consider it! As well as this very interesting SHOM, too. In my opinion, they belong to the category of important watches, from our beloved Manufacture and its History. Best, my friend. Nicolas

Just my taste, Nicolas!

 
 By: anaesdoc : October 12th, 2010-04:12
It is the same as with your Senator Navigator LE Rimowa: the simplicity and clarity of case and dial make these superb watches! As much as I value a complicated watch (PC, minute repeater, tourbillon) it is this type of "bread and butter" watch that I alw... 

I too like the contrasts in watches, anaesdoc.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-01:18
Big or small, complicated or simple, I have no favourite here. The most important is that the watch has some charm. And this SHOM is not an exception to the rule. I don't know if you remember this book from Albert Camus: " Noces à Tipasa ", when the ... 

I have one 34 mm watch...

 
 By: nwp627 : October 12th, 2010-16:47
...in my collection, alas not a JLC, however it never gets any wrist time. I was convinced that it was too small. After reading this post I took it out of the safe and it is presently residing on my wrist. Thank you Nicolas because of your post I have a "... 

That is all I wish for you, my friend.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-01:22
They are so charmful! Best and thanks a lot for your very nice words, Neil. Nicolas.

Very interesting review Nicolas...

 
 By: aboen : October 12th, 2010-21:48
Once again you did not dissapoint with a comprehensive and enjoyable review, with beautiful pix too . Thanks for bringing a classic JLC back into the light. You da man my friend ;-) Best Drew

Indeed, how many people knew this JLC SHOM, Drew?

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-04:28
It is always exciting to introduce such a " Sea Snake" ! Thanks for your kind comments, my friend. Best, Nicolas

A beauty.

 
 By: dxboon : October 12th, 2010-22:52
Thanks for the great review, Nicolas. I tried to buy the civilian version of this watch...twice. It eluded me both times. I think it is not meant to be for me -- at least for the time being. Regardless, I love the look of this watch and the honestly prett... 

The form and the function, Daos.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-07:40
Not specially finished, the Cal 478 offers a superb accuracy and is reliable. The dial is legible, and has a certain appeal. The case back says it all, as I wrote. All in all, a discrete tool watch, which doesn't play the card of the consensus, but of His... 

WOW, every JLC vintage watch has interesting story behind...

 
 By: FanFrancisco : October 13th, 2010-08:52
many thanks, Nico for the educational and informative post, you always enrich our life and widen our insight as a vintage watch collector. i have recently and luckily had a chance to got this Caliber 479 from Rafal. After seeing your post, i would love mi... 

479 or 478, Stefan?

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-07:42
The 479 was exclusively made for the WWW, while the SHOM housed the 478. Thanks for your nice words, my friend. Best, Nicolas

ha ha.. was a typo...

 
 By: FanFrancisco : October 14th, 2010-10:03
sorry Nico... was typing too fast... the Caliber number is P478. stefan.

he he, i meant i got the entire watch, not only the caliber...

 
 By: FanFrancisco : October 15th, 2010-09:54
sorry for not writing it clearly. in fact i got the entire watch. here is the pic to share with you. have a great weekend, my friend. stefan...  

Another very nice catch, Stefan!

 
 By: amanico : October 15th, 2010-10:05
And in really good condition! Any pics of the case back? I'm curious to see a detail... Best, my friend. Nicolas

here you go, Nico...

 
 By: FanFrancisco : October 15th, 2010-10:20
i do not take any pics of the case back. here are the pics supplied by Rafal last time. i also attach a pic of the movement. yes, indeed the condition is superb, all hands have superb patina look. it was very kind of Rafal. i feel so lucky to have this on...  

This one is mcuh earlier than the SHOMs I saw, that was what I wanted to check.

 
 By: amanico : October 15th, 2010-10:34
Thanks a lot for these additional pictures, my friend. I think this post is still in progress, though. Will feed it with more pics of other JLC SHOM watches... Yes, this community is great: Do you need something, someone will find it for you! Best, Nicola... 

ha ha... now i have two things i need....

 
 By: FanFrancisco : October 15th, 2010-10:43
these two things are on top of my head: 1) pin buckle in Ti for AMVOX1, 2) a case for Caliber 469. anyone help find it for me...!!! by the way, you are absolutely right: this community is superb great. stefan

Excellent work!

 
 By: ocwatching : October 13th, 2010-12:58
love that dome..yummy! Thanks for the post!

Thank you Nicolas! A great report of a great watch :-)))))

 
 By: =RWK= : October 13th, 2010-22:03
Not feeling so good the last few days, however this is a spirit lifter. Best, my friend, -- Richard.

Happy to know that this post enlightened your day, my friend.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-07:45
Wish all will go better for you, and the sooner the better! Best, and thanks a lot for your words, Richard. Nicolas

Thanks Nicolas! So, how do you convince Monsieur Lambert...

 
 By: =RWK= : October 14th, 2010-10:01
to bring back such a fine piece??? Hoping! -- Richard.

Monsieur Lambert has so many ideas for the brand, Richard.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-13:12
I think you will be surprised, in 3 months. As for this piece, yes, I would like a lot to see something " au gout du jour " . A new piece for the SHOM? I'm defintely IN! Best, Nicolas

Wonderful selection! Official use, military

 
 By: SteveG : October 14th, 2010-13:52
or not is great in my book, and as you demonstrate, even for this fairly thick watch 34mm is big enough. Although the movement is not JLC's upper tier, the quality of this mid-level effort certainly demonstrates the extraordinary high standards of the man...  

Funny, Steve!

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2010-14:01
Longines did the same watch for the Marine Nationale ( MN: French Military Marine ). The movement if these Longines cannot be compared, of course, wit the P 478, in terms of finish and decoration, but it does the job in a perfect way. Yes, the 2 dials are... 

Thank's for sharing

 
 By: thomas..m : October 15th, 2010-00:16
Great review Nicolas, I beautifull couple of watches! Good catch!

Great discovery, Nicolas

 
 By: ling5hk : October 14th, 2010-21:50
You and the watch both deserve thumbs up! Regards Ling

Excellent story as usual, Nicolas.

 
 By: RJW : October 15th, 2010-02:43
Very interesting. There are many here who would purchase a hommage/tribute version of this watch. Could this be possible? For IGOTT maybe? Thanks. Regards, Richard.

That would be an excellent idea, Richard.

 
 By: amanico : October 15th, 2010-04:05
A tool watch for Purists... Love that! Thanks for your nice words, as always. Best, Nicolas

Fascinating story !

 
 By: DrStrong : October 15th, 2010-22:29
I keep learning everyday....thanks to you ! Cheers Jeff

Thanks for your nice words, Jeff.

 
 By: amanico : October 16th, 2010-00:02
Did you see Patrice's one in the flesh? Best, Nicolas

A GREAT post

 
 By: ChristianDK : October 15th, 2010-23:14
Thank you, I really enjoyed that, very interesting reading. The watch is really nice. I love the tool character and the simple "honisty" it has. Best from Denmark Christian

Honesty and tool character...

 
 By: amanico : October 16th, 2010-00:00
That nicely sums this wathcn Christian! Best, my friend. Nicolas

Great review Nico !

 
 By: p@trice : October 17th, 2010-09:17
My little contribution ... Best Patrice...  

The 3rd brother is still missing, Patrice...

 
 By: amanico : October 17th, 2010-09:23
But we won't wait too much, as I know he comes back home tonight... That is great to know these treasures in good company. Thanks, my friend. Best, Nicolas.

Can I join the party?

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 18th, 2010-11:23
SHOM no. 11 joining this wonderful thread. Thank you, Nicolas for a great report of a stunning watch! Third brother checking in – one week with the SHOM and I am totally in love! Love the history, the look, the movement, the patina… everything of this stu...  

Aaah, Blomman!

 
 By: amanico : October 18th, 2010-11:33
Here you are, finally! I was on to close the door, thinking that the party ended, and bang, bing, badaboom, here are the Blomman's shots! Happy to see you back here, and even happier to have met you here, my friend. Take care of this Baby, my friend. Very... 

Wouldn’t miss it for the world…

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 19th, 2010-03:09
I will take care of her, my friend! Indeed great, we must meet soon again! Best, my friend Blomman